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Post by pele on Nov 10, 2012 22:52:33 GMT
Btw Davy did you lift your bet yet  |
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Post by mrfish on Nov 10, 2012 22:57:02 GMT
I don't wear a poppy. Never have done. It doesn't make me a bad person (maybe why I'm a bad footballer though ;D). I have close and dear friends, colleagues etc who wear them with pride and I respect greatly their right's and beliefs on the subject, as they do mine. There are people who wear one for all the wrong reasons just as there are people who refuse to for all the wrong reasons. I know I'm not offended by those who do and I hope those who do aren't offended by me for not. I've heard the point being made in this debate that they died for free speech etc...there is truth in that. This is part of it. Some day we'll all be able to accept each others views without being offended by them but my guess is that it's a few generations away yet. Bet you wish they hadn't died for free speech once I start waffling! |
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Post by goram on Nov 10, 2012 22:58:30 GMT
wat wings big mrnasty on
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Post by pele on Nov 10, 2012 23:05:25 GMT
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Post by antrimwhu on Nov 10, 2012 23:06:31 GMT
Wat u askin for goram it's a wonder u don't now already if u find out it mite b worth 3points w****r
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Post by pele on Nov 10, 2012 23:07:48 GMT
Wat u askin for goram it's a wonder u don't now already if u find out it mite b worth 3points w****r |
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Post by Carlton Palmer on Nov 10, 2012 23:10:43 GMT
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Post by DavyFTB on Nov 10, 2012 23:11:24 GMT
Wat u askin for goram it's a wonder u don't now already if u find out it mite b worth 3points w****r If the rumours are true you boys cheated and got caught. What has goram done wrong? |
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Post by pele on Nov 10, 2012 23:13:31 GMT
Wat u askin for goram it's a wonder u don't now already if u find out it mite b worth 3points w****r If the rumours are true you boys cheated and got caught. What has goram done wrong? You gorams spokesman now Davy?  |
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Post by DavyFTB on Nov 10, 2012 23:14:43 GMT
Surely you agree with what i posted pele. Sure youbtold me that yourself.  |
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Post by pele on Nov 10, 2012 23:18:49 GMT
Surely you agree with what i posted pele. Sure youbtold me that yourself. Didn't say I didn't but Goram has a mouth of his own |
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Post by DavyFTB on Nov 10, 2012 23:26:39 GMT
So you do agree then |
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Post by davman on Nov 10, 2012 23:29:10 GMT
I don't wear a poppy. Never have done. It doesn't make me a bad person (maybe why I'm a bad footballer though ;D). I have close and dear friends, colleagues etc who wear them with pride and I respect greatly their right's and beliefs on the subject, as they do mine. There are people who wear one for all the wrong reasons just as there are people who refuse to for all the wrong reasons. I know I'm not offended by those who do and I hope those who do aren't offended by me for not. I've heard the point being made in this debate that they died for free speech etc...there is truth in that. This is part of it. Some day we'll all be able to accept each others views without being offended by them but my guess is that it's a few generations away yet. Bet you wish they hadn't died for free speech once I start waffling! Thats just about the best post i've seen for a long time - my grandfather was shot at the Somme, but survived and lived until he was 72, what a lot of people just dont know is that the battle was to defend Belguim and Holland, it had nothing initially to do with England some people are just blinded by uneducated bigotry. I respect everyone and whatever they believe in is fine by me so long as they don't try and ram it down my throat. I live in Castlewellan, a nationalist town, I'm a prod and everyone knows it but I get on because i know who my friends are regardless of religion (which i believe is the root of all evil - not money as religious zealots would have you believe) 'Do onto others what you would have them do onto you' thats all you need to know full stop!! |
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Post by mrfish on Nov 10, 2012 23:37:27 GMT
I don't wear a poppy. Never have done. It doesn't make me a bad person (maybe why I'm a bad footballer though ;D). I have close and dear friends, colleagues etc who wear them with pride and I respect greatly their right's and beliefs on the subject, as they do mine. There are people who wear one for all the wrong reasons just as there are people who refuse to for all the wrong reasons. I know I'm not offended by those who do and I hope those who do aren't offended by me for not. I've heard the point being made in this debate that they died for free speech etc...there is truth in that. This is part of it. Some day we'll all be able to accept each others views without being offended by them but my guess is that it's a few generations away yet. Bet you wish they hadn't died for free speech once I start waffling! Thats just about the best post i've seen for a long time - my grandfather was shot at the Somme, but survived and lived until he was 72, what a lot of people just dont know is that the battle was to defend Belguim and Holland, it had nothing initially to do with England some people are just blinded by uneducated bigotry. I respect everyone and whatever they believe in is fine by me so long as they don't try and ram it down my throat. I live in Castlewellan, a nationalist town, I'm a prod and everyone knows it but I get on because i know who my friends are regardless of religion (which i believe is the root of all evil - not money as religious zealots would have you believe) 'Do onto others what you would have them do onto you' thats all you need to know full stop!! Much respect and fantastic post! I'm sure that gentleman had many a tale! There was a great wee man my mother worked with, Sid you call him (God Bless him he's probably dead and gone now...must ask her) but fought in both Wars and worked until he was a very old man. An English fella and a complete gent whose company I really enjoyed. He had some wonderful stories and, like Uncle Albert, loved to share them! The things people like him and your Grandfather witnessed at a very young age is something, thankfully, our generation will never comprehend! Respect to your Grandfather friend! |
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Post by DavyFTB on Nov 10, 2012 23:40:49 GMT
Very true fish. And the poppy is to remember people like him. As it is because of him the we wont have to witness such scenes. For that reason i fail to see why someone would refuse to wear a poppy.
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Post by antrimwhu on Nov 10, 2012 23:42:41 GMT
Gorams got a better camera than mouth an he breaks the rules himself but he does wat he wants or mayb he reports tat too if his handlers let him  |
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Post by DavyFTB on Nov 10, 2012 23:45:35 GMT
I see grant mccann with a nice wee tweet there lol.
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Post by mrfish on Nov 10, 2012 23:52:35 GMT
Very true fish. And the poppy is to remember people like him. As it is because of him the we wont have to witness such scenes. For that reason i fail to see why someone would refuse to wear a poppy. I suppose you also wouldn't agree with me that some wear them as more of a political statement and almost forget the actual purpose and symbolism? Now I'm by no means saying all or even most but some folk. Same as those who wear Celtic or Rangers tops etc but having no idea who they play at the weekend! And at the end of the day, it all stems back to the point I was making. We have many different beliefs and some of my beliefs will infuriate you and vise versa. It's not our fault. The problems all started long before you or I were born but we have to learn to see both sides when we can. We'll not agree on a lot of things but getting to understand and accept why someone has a different belief and learning to appreciate their situations etc is the only way to get past it. But anyway, that's just my opinion...worth very little Anyway! Lol |
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Post by DavyFTB on Nov 10, 2012 23:55:41 GMT
Agreed
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Post by mrfish on Nov 10, 2012 23:57:23 GMT
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Post by DavyFTB on Nov 11, 2012 0:19:37 GMT
I just know yer talking about the end part where my opinion means very little aren't ye! I was actually talking about it all lol. |
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Post by goram on Nov 11, 2012 0:29:18 GMT
Boys.i hope n pray shore go down . ... Teams like that let bsml down. |
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Post by Jeff on Nov 11, 2012 0:29:34 GMT
Jesus wept. f**k me these men died for us all. It wasn't about religion then nor should it be now. These men fought for the very rights and democracy that we see abused here everyday. If we can not remember these brave souls who gave all in a respectable way then f**k me. Reading these last few pages is depressing this country will never move on. Comparing the poppy to the Easter Lilly holy good f**k.
Today (Sunday) marks the eleventh day of the eleventh month the day all those years ago that the guns fell silent. Today we remember those who made the ultimate sacrifice so we wouldn't have to. If you can't be respectful of that at least be quiet ffs
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Post by Cmac on Nov 11, 2012 0:33:36 GMT
Tell me whats wrong with comparing an easter lilly to a poppy
Anyway if were to move on shouldnt we just forget about the past
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Post by goram on Nov 11, 2012 0:33:43 GMT
Jesus wept. f**k me these men died for us all. It wasn't about religion then nor should it be now. These men fought for the very rights and democracy that we see abused here everyday. If we can not remember these brave souls who gave all in a respectable way then f**k me. Reading these last few pages is depressing this country will never move on. Comparing the poppy to the Easter Lilly holy good f**k. Today (Sunday) marks the eleventh day of the eleventh month the day all those years ago that the guns fell silent. Today we remember those who made the ultimate sacrifice so we wouldn't have to. If you can't be respectful of that at least be quiet ffs Here here jeff. Wear ur poppy with pride |
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Post by Cmac on Nov 11, 2012 0:38:20 GMT
by all means wear your poppy with pride but also people who choose not to wear one should not be given abuse
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Post by BFP on Nov 11, 2012 0:40:40 GMT
That may all be true Jeff, but it doesn't mean that people should be forced to do something they don't want to do or do sometning they feel strongly against, because if that was the case, then essentially those that made the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom will have done so in vain!!
Personally I would do away with anything that remembers the past, no matter what side you are on, because the past always seems to be the reason for conflict and disagreement in this country and countries around the world. It's about time everyone let the past be the past and look to the future!!
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Post by Cmac on Nov 11, 2012 0:45:27 GMT
That may all be true Jeff, but it doesn't mean that people should be forced to do something they don't want to do or do sometning they feel strongly against, because if that was the case, then essentially those that made the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom will have done so in vain!! Personally I would do away with anything that remembers the past, no matter what side you are on, because the past always seems to be the reason for conflict and disagreement in this country and countries around the world. It's about time everyone let the past be the past and look to the future!! Agreed |
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Post by Jeff on Nov 11, 2012 0:50:06 GMT
That may all be true Jeff, but it doesn't mean that people should be forced to do something they don't want to do or do sometning they feel strongly against, because if that was the case, then essentially those that made the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom will have done so in vain!! Personally I would do away with anything that remembers the past, no matter what side you are on, because the past always seems to be the reason for conflict and disagreement in this country and countries around the world. It's about time everyone let the past be the past and look to the future!! Truth be told bfp, and I'm not aiming this at you it's just cuz you replied to my message, there are those who hate everything that is British and can not even tolerate anything that resembles it. Frankly until such times that people can accept that London rules over us there is no hope for this small country to move on. People must accept democracy as until such times as it is the will if the majority here, it ain't changing. That's my last post on the subject because this could be debated all night on here and no good will come of it |
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Post by antrimwhu on Nov 11, 2012 0:55:19 GMT
Goram ur a w****r everybody else life's to short enjoy it let the bigots fight my money's on shore to stay up unless goram steals more points
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