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Post by goram on Mar 7, 2010 10:35:01 GMT
if it was any1 else the same questions would be goin around!! i think ul find most people are just tryin to find out what exactly happened!!! and obviously if rules are broke well then no1 to blame but themselves!! well said, plenty of us were on dunloys back trying 2 c wat happen next after the famous 3 photo...  |
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Post by pele on Mar 7, 2010 12:57:56 GMT
if it was any1 else the same questions would be goin around!! i think ul find most people are just tryin to find out what exactly happened!!! and obviously if rules are broke well then no1 to blame but themselves!! well said, plenty of us were on dunloys back trying 2 c wat happen next after the famous 3 photo... Exactley Dunloy got the same questions. |
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Post by martintyler on Mar 7, 2010 12:59:50 GMT
All the best lads...a Junior trophy this season would be a great achievement, few tough games ahead but good enough squad there to do it....wee Les for the winner in a final |
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Post by raj2112 on Mar 7, 2010 20:48:21 GMT
if it was any1 else the same questions would be goin around!! i think ul find most people are just tryin to find out what exactly happened!!! and obviously if rules are broke well then no1 to blame but themselves!! Knowing Dobbie as I do, if the IFA were to inform Dobbie that some obscure rule was broken, I have no doubt that Dobbie wouldn't even wait to be expelled from both competitions. He would pull Carniny out of them like he did a few years back in the O'Kane Cup when Aaron Wilkinson failed to inform him that he had played for Cullybackey in a previous round. He wouldn't want to win any trophy with people accusing him of cheating. Matches should be decided on the pitch and Carniny have always went by that code, even when it was known that opponents played ringers against them. No appeal was ever put in, certainly not in my time with them. |
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Post by goram on Mar 7, 2010 20:51:25 GMT
if it was any1 else the same questions would be goin around!! i think ul find most people are just tryin to find out what exactly happened!!! and obviously if rules are broke well then no1 to blame but themselves!! Knowing Dobbie as I do, if the IFA were to inform Dobbie that some obscure rule was broken, I have no doubt that Dobbie wouldn't even wait to be expelled from both competitions. He would pull Carniny out of them like he did a few years back in the O'Kane Cup when Aaron Wilkinson failed to inform him that he had played for Cullybackey in a previous round. He wouldn't want to win any trophy with people accusing him of cheating. Matches should be decided on the pitch and Carniny have always went by that code, even when it was known that opponents played ringers against them. No appeal was ever put in, certainly not in my time with them. ;D thats rite u were the water boy for them ;D  |
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Post by rubberman on Mar 7, 2010 22:06:10 GMT
very noble owning up when your snared :Dvery noble  |
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Post by norty on Mar 8, 2010 0:05:14 GMT
Snared?! Lol how were they snared when it was Dobbie who got in touch with Crumlin to tell them what the craic was?!
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Post by mrfish on Mar 8, 2010 8:12:45 GMT
Very surprised at this carry on. There's me thinking it was all a wind up!!! LOL...
And for the few lads on spouting about "people need to get behind them" and all that s**te, where were you lads when Dunloy players PICTURES were being posted on here. It was their own fault sure. I really can't understand why some are taking the moral highground for Carniny and not for the Dunloy players!!! Strange.....
Personnally I don't see a problem where Les is concerned. He never played for Broadway in either competition and had previously signed up for them as a Carniny player. In saying that I, just like the IFA, have no idea what the rules about the compeition are!!!
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Post by Header on Mar 8, 2010 9:00:36 GMT
if it was any1 else the same questions would be goin around!! i think ul find most people are just tryin to find out what exactly happened!!! and obviously if rules are broke well then no1 to blame but themselves!! Its not so much the questions farmbhoy - the questions can be given with legitimate answers - its more the accusations and glee that seems to be floating around this post in that Carniny could have made a mistake and could therefore get kicked out of the cup. But before it is decided that Carniny have made a mistake if anybody who appears to be in the know (I'm thinking rubberman here as he's the one who started all the rule book chat at the beginning - far too much time on his hands if you ask me ) could post any rule that appears to be broken in the wording of the IFA rule book (ie. a direct quote) then those who are interested in what happens to Carniny can do so based on the information provided. A lot of comments have been made by people who are hearing info third and fourth hand without actually knowing the rules. I think RAJ2112 has summed it up 100% which made people realise that maybe Carniny are innocent in this whole debacle. If Crumlin Star had a chance to progress to the semi final of the junior cup by the opposition handing it on a plate to them via a "protest" I am sure they would have taken it - the fact that they don't have a protest in (apparently!) would nearly tell you that they didnt think it was a case they would win. |
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Post by ratman on Mar 8, 2010 11:31:05 GMT
sounds like a ridiculous rule anyways, typical ifa not a clue...
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Post by harty on Mar 8, 2010 12:13:54 GMT
Snared?! Lol how were they snared when it was Dobbie who got in touch with Crumlin to tell them what the craic was?! Snared, is quite an appropriate word where Mr Norton is concerned at the minute.  |
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Post by mrfish on Mar 8, 2010 12:57:53 GMT
Snared?! Lol how were they snared when it was Dobbie who got in touch with Crumlin to tell them what the craic was?! Snared, is quite an appropriate word where Mr Norton is concerned at the minute. Oooooooohhh ;D ;D ;D Auld Norton caught behind the Chippy in Kells dressed as Jackie Fullerton giving May McFetridge one up the dunger??? If not, what??? |
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Post by harty on Mar 8, 2010 18:14:23 GMT
she wasn't unlike may thats all i'm saying
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Post by danaldo on Mar 8, 2010 20:19:49 GMT
Very surprised at this carry on. There's me thinking it was all a wind up!!! LOL... And for the few lads on spouting about "people need to get behind them" and all that s**te, where were you lads when Dunloy players PICTURES were being posted on here. It was their own fault sure. I really can't understand why some are taking the moral highground for Carniny and not for the Dunloy players!!! Strange..... Personnally I don't see a problem where Les is concerned. He never played for Broadway in either competition and had previously signed up for them as a Carniny player. In saying that I, just like the IFA, have no idea what the rules about the compeition are!!! Well said Fish but dont think u need to b a brain surgeon to work that one out |
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Post by shankly on Mar 8, 2010 20:29:16 GMT
Carniny have not cheated or done anything wrong in this debacle. It's purely an issue of eligibility which the IFA aren’t even sure about. What really irritates me is the fact that certain members of this forum seem to be delighted with the possibility that Carniny may be thrown out of the Junior Cup, namely rubberman in reply #68 (who I don’t believe for a minute is as clued up on the rules as he’d like us to believe) who started this subject. Oops! Sorry rubberman, apparently once you’d stared the rumour, your “lips were sealed”, because you” didn’t want to ruin Carniny’s dreams”, (Reply #77). Hmm, was rubberman possibly fed the necessary information to enable him to do so? Quote; “i dont need to spill the beans as i heard it from at least 5/6 people involved within bsml already”, (rubberman in reply #87). Ever feel like you’ve been used rubberman? Still, you’ve got the reaction you seemed to be hoping for when you brought up the subject. I’m sure Leslie is very disappointed that he’s been treated so shabbily by friends and former team mates.
I for one, hope would love to see Carniny win the cup or the shield for the bsml.
Let’s hope the IFA see sense and allow Carniny to play Leslie who was registered to play in the Junior Cup from the start of the competition.
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Post by Jeff on Mar 8, 2010 23:28:50 GMT
Fish Carniny havent cheated. Two or three (more depending on who you believe) dunloy players cheated. At least 3 were photographed. Massive differences in the two scenarios you are trying to compare.
Reading between the lines here there is nothing to suggest any wrongdoing on the part of carniny or the player in question.
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Post by mrfish on Mar 9, 2010 8:02:00 GMT
....ok Jeff, word it whatever way you want, we didn't know they hadn't done anything wrong at the time (if they haven't), were saying that if they had or hadn't we should still get behind them instead of trying to get them in trouble making it exactly the same as what happened with Dunloy (people trying to get others in trouble) for which you had nothing to say (not you personnally but the "defenders" in general). Get me now??? ;D
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Post by farmbhoy on Mar 9, 2010 10:31:27 GMT
Carniny have not cheated or done anything wrong in this debacle. It's purely an issue of eligibility which the IFA aren’t even sure about. What really irritates me is the fact that certain members of this forum seem to be delighted with the possibility that Carniny may be thrown out of the Junior Cup, namely rubberman in reply #68 (who I don’t believe for a minute is as clued up on the rules as he’d like us to believe) who started this subject. Oops! Sorry rubberman, apparently once you’d stared the rumour, your “lips were sealed”, because you” didn’t want to ruin Carniny’s dreams”, (Reply #77). Hmm, was rubberman possibly fed the necessary information to enable him to do so? Quote; “i dont need to spill the beans as i heard it from at least 5/6 people involved within bsml already”, (rubberman in reply #87). Ever feel like you’ve been used rubberman? Still, you’ve got the reaction you seemed to be hoping for when you brought up the subject. I’m sure Leslie is very disappointed that he’s been treated so shabbily by friends and former team mates. I for one, hope would love to see Carniny win the cup or the shield for the bsml. Let’s hope the IFA see sense and allow Carniny to play Leslie who was registered to play in the Junior Cup from the start of the competition. nobody has personally said anythin about les cheatin or doin anythin wrong. He doesnt pick the team. And as for the people sayin we should just forget about it and get behind carniny! would u be sayin the same thing about other bsml teams in the same position i seriously doubt it!! support ur team and argue for there cause! dont tell others what they should or shouldnt be doin!! |
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Post by thebeast on Mar 9, 2010 10:51:07 GMT
for 2nites goin 2 b a good nite will carniny stay or go?  i tink they will b ok , dnt tink they will win it . there team will freeze in the semis.... wat yous tink |
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Post by martintyler on Mar 9, 2010 11:30:34 GMT
hard to call to be honest, i fancy their chances of going all the way in the shield........they have Ardoyne in the semi's and the winner of Crumlin Star or Ford should they make the final. All 4 of them are good teams but think Carniny are good enough to beat them.
In relation to the Junior Cup, anyone who can beat 'The Mac' can basically beat anyone at junior football level as they are top of the tree. Roger Jones, Chris Dowie or Mo McDowell didnt play against them last year when they lost 4-2 so it would certainly be interesting how them boys played against them. But like i said i think they have a better chance of winning the shield than the cup only because they have already beaten Crumlin Star this season and i had fancied Star to win it.
Mind you, if Carniny won both trophies like the mac did last season it would be one hell of an achievement! Regardless of 'LESLEYGATE' any team who are in the semi's of both competitions deserve their plaudits!
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Post by Header on Mar 9, 2010 13:28:31 GMT
Does anybody have the rule as written down by the IFA that has supposedly been broken so we can decide ourselves who might be in the wrong!!! Over to you Rubberman |
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Post by mrfish on Mar 9, 2010 13:54:29 GMT
....IFA Rulebook, Rule 69 - Junior Competitions....
"In the event that a team from the Saturday Morning League of Ballymena should enter the initial stage of the Junior competition and then before the cup/shield's business end lose that player to a team from a different area of the town, only to have him come back when the manager see's fit for him to return in conjuction with squad unavailability, then as long as he has re-signed under for the initial team before the end of the Christmas period he will be ok to represent that club in the latter stages of the competition. If the players name is Leslie then he will automatically be banned from participation with immediate effect because he has a girl's name and also because his face has more wee brown dots than Graham Dot's family tree".......
That's what it says in the book shem....
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Post by Header on Mar 9, 2010 15:42:52 GMT
....IFA Rulebook, Rule 69 - Junior Competitions.... "In the event that a team from the Saturday Morning League of Ballymena should enter the initial stage of the Junior competition and then before the cup/shield's business end lose that player to a team from a different area of the town, only to have him come back when the manager see's fit for him to return in conjuction with squad unavailability, then as long as he has re-signed under for the initial team before the end of the Christmas period he will be ok to represent that club in the latter stages of the competition. If the players name is Leslie then he will automatically be banned from participation with immediate effect because he has a girl's name and also because his face has more wee brown dots than Graham Dot's family tree"....... That's what it says in the book shem.... Ah right - so he hadnt signed before the end of the Christmas period then. Overlooked that point - the rest of the rule doesnt apply as there is no Leslie that plays for Carniny. There's a Les but its got nothing to do with him. Thanks "shem" |
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Post by ratman on Mar 9, 2010 16:32:32 GMT
im going round to arthurs tonight to watch Shameless ill ask him he'll know...
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Post by thebeast on Mar 9, 2010 16:41:07 GMT
will they stay or will they go lads |
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Post by raj2112 on Mar 9, 2010 16:44:31 GMT
Knowing Dobbie as I do, if the IFA were to inform Dobbie that some obscure rule was broken, I have no doubt that Dobbie wouldn't even wait to be expelled from both competitions. He would pull Carniny out of them like he did a few years back in the O'Kane Cup when Aaron Wilkinson failed to inform him that he had played for Cullybackey in a previous round. He wouldn't want to win any trophy with people accusing him of cheating. Matches should be decided on the pitch and Carniny have always went by that code, even when it was known that opponents played ringers against them. No appeal was ever put in, certainly not in my time with them. ;D thats rite u were the water boy for them ;D And you must be that 100 grand a week player that wins all them league titles and cups for the Thistle lol. |
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Post by barstool on Mar 9, 2010 16:45:08 GMT
It's the IFA, so it's anyones guess! prob not even have a decision made tonight.
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Post by goram on Mar 9, 2010 16:48:01 GMT
;D thats rite u were the water boy for them ;D And you must be that 100 grand a week player that wins all them league titles and cups for the Thistle lol. dnt rem u ever playing for carniny , u were there water boy/linesman . lol u were just a glory hunter ;D |
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Post by farmbhoy on Mar 9, 2010 19:58:04 GMT
....IFA Rulebook, Rule 69 - Junior Competitions.... "In the event that a team from the Saturday Morning League of Ballymena should enter the initial stage of the Junior competition and then before the cup/shield's business end lose that player to a team from a different area of the town, only to have him come back when the manager see's fit for him to return in conjuction with squad unavailability, then as long as he has re-signed under for the initial team before the end of the Christmas period he will be ok to represent that club in the latter stages of the competition. If the players name is Leslie then he will automatically be banned from participation with immediate effect because he has a girl's name and also because his face has more wee brown dots than Graham Dot's family tree"....... That's what it says in the book shem.... i think thats hard to call and it could be contested some of leslies dots are orange so there could be grounds for an appeal there if found guilty!!! ;D |
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Post by farmbhoy on Mar 10, 2010 9:31:11 GMT
Have we got no news of what happened at last nites meeting??
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