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Post by LENNY on Nov 29, 2011 22:19:16 GMT
Do you reckon then Lenny that the GAA would get more protestant players from Northern Ireland if they changed their anthem too  Ridiculous post once again..what the f**k has that got to do with anything?? |
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Post by LENNY on Nov 29, 2011 22:20:01 GMT
[quote author=elnino board=gennews thread=96 04 post=179097 time=1322603199]Well if Gerry has done the background work and feels its worth discussing then Northern Ireland supporters will discuss it,Paul Mc Veigh also done a very interesting piece on this subject. I'm a northern Ireland supporter and its not up for discussion with me...ive block booking ticket and will always sing God Save the Queen.[/quote] Fair enough Junior.. |
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Post by Jeff on Nov 29, 2011 22:23:21 GMT
What do you think lenny would it make you support the country were you were born if it were to change ? No mate, i was reared and brought up supporting Ireland/Republic of Ireland..Im sure u understand. I can understand why you may have chosen not to support NI given what the atmosphere at Windsor was once like. However il never understand how people can just choose another country, cuz that's what it is. No matter what is done some people will never accept that northern ireland exists. The queen is our head of state and gstq is our national anthem so why should that change for anyone? |
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Post by LENNY on Nov 29, 2011 22:36:35 GMT
No mate, i was reared and brought up supporting Ireland/Republic of Ireland..Im sure u understand. I can understand why you may have chosen not to support NI given what the atmosphere at Windsor was once like. However il never understand how people can just choose another country, cuz that's what it is. No matter what is done some people will never accept that northern ireland exists. The queen is our head of state and gstq is our national anthem so why should that change for anyone? Its not about not choosing Northern Ireland.. For me its how i was reared..By Parents both fluent in the irish language, parents with irish passports etc, there is more to it than just saying 'its another country' we didnt pick it..its got absolutely nothing to do with the football team..the team comes with the up bringing. Dont want to get hot and heavy..leave it at that. With regards changing GSTQ, i was just posting the link to see how everyone felt, big gerry reckons it might attract more catholics and stop them 'jumping ship'. |
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Post by DavyFTB on Nov 29, 2011 22:38:08 GMT
I'm in a mood of a subject change after watching that tonight. Jim shaw IFA said "GOD SAVE THE QUEEN is the national anthem of Northern Ireland, and it will remain being played at winsor as long as I'm president" so as far as I'm concerned there is nothing to worry about GSTQ  |
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Post by junior on Nov 29, 2011 22:38:31 GMT
In my personal opinion if people don't want to play for northern Ireland when they are born and rared in this country then f**k them bigotry is hanging out of them its a clear political statement. As for the fans...changing the national anthem won't make one bit of difference, it wouldn't attract anybody that doesn't support them now change there minds.
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Post by bap on Nov 29, 2011 22:39:25 GMT
No mate, i was reared and brought up supporting Ireland/Republic of Ireland..Im sure u understand. I can understand why you may have chosen not to support NI given what the atmosphere at Windsor was once like. However il never understand how people can just choose another country, cuz that's what it is. No matter what is done some people will never accept that northern ireland exists. The queen is our head of state and gstq is our national anthem so why should that change for anyone? You can choose whoever you want. Why would you choose your own country? I went to Windsor for my 1st game in 1983 and didnt know much about what they were singing. Continued to go down the years until parading round the pitch some time about 1990-92 as a prize for winning the NI 5 a sides. The minute the announcer said 'St Louis' the booing started and continued for the remainder of our lap. Then sat 'up to our necks' listening to bigotry for 90 mins and vowed not to return... Though I did - and the atmospher was great - as I'd been promised the really bad songs had gone. Now they just sing 'Ulster till i die' on repeat for long periods. People say the away trips are great but I can only imagine what a NI Catholic would hear sung by the wondrous GAWA in the bars of Tallinn etc. Thats why I believe some people maybe cant connect with Northern Ireland football team. I will support them but only from my house. Discuss |
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Post by LENNY on Nov 29, 2011 22:40:59 GMT
In my personal opinion if people don't want to play for northern Ireland when they are born and rared in this country then f**k them bigotry is hanging out of them its a clear political statement. As for the fans...changing the national anthem won't make one bit of difference, it wouldn't attract anybody that doesn't support them now change there minds. Pure n utter ignorance Junior. Are you trying to tell me a lad who who would rather play for Republic of Ireland over Northern Ireland is bigot?? plain and simple as that..dead on. |
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Post by Jeff on Nov 29, 2011 22:41:16 GMT
As you have just illustrated changing the anthem will do nothing to stop those who want to jump ship. If they are gona go they will go. I just wish they wouldn't abuse our youth set up then jump ship.
Changing the anthem is a non starter.
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Post by LENNY on Nov 29, 2011 22:45:31 GMT
As you have just illustrated changing the anthem will do nothing to stop those who want to jump ship. If they are gona go they will go. I just wish they wouldn't abuse our youth set up then jump ship. Changing the anthem is a non starter. Fair enough.. |
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Post by Jeff on Nov 29, 2011 22:48:36 GMT
I can understand why you may have chosen not to support NI given what the atmosphere at Windsor was once like. However il never understand how people can just choose another country, cuz that's what it is. No matter what is done some people will never accept that northern ireland exists. The queen is our head of state and gstq is our national anthem so why should that change for anyone? You can choose whoever you want. Why would you choose your own country? I went to Windsor for my 1st game in 1983 and didnt know much about what they were singing. Continued to go down the years until parading round the pitch some time about 1990-92 as a prize for winning the NI 5 a sides. The minute the announcer said 'St Louis' the booing started and continued for the remainder of our lap. Then sat 'up to our necks' listening to bigotry for 90 mins and vowed not to return... Though I did - and the atmospher was great - as I'd been promised the really bad songs had gone. Now they just sing 'Ulster till i die' on repeat for long periods. People say the away trips are great but I can only imagine what a NI Catholic would hear sung by the wondrous GAWA in the bars of Tallinn etc. Thats why I believe some people maybe cant connect with Northern Ireland football team. I will support them but only from my house. Discuss Valid points bap the very point I made to lenny. Any catholic who witnessed that atmosphere would find it difficult to connect with NI. Of course they would. But it has changed stevie wonder could see that. If everyone from NI got behind the team now, there's no reason for them not too, any remaining problems would easily be eliminated. Sadly there are those who will never ever accept Northern Ireland in any guise. We should not lose our identity to try and appease these bigots. |
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Post by rubberman on Nov 29, 2011 22:54:02 GMT
I can understand why you may have chosen not to support NI given what the atmosphere at Windsor was once like. However il never understand how people can just choose another country, cuz that's what it is. No matter what is done some people will never accept that northern ireland exists. The queen is our head of state and gstq is our national anthem so why should that change for anyone? You can choose whoever you want. Why would you choose your own country? I went to Windsor for my 1st game in 1983 and didnt know much about what they were singing. Continued to go down the years until parading round the pitch some time about 1990-92 as a prize for winning the NI 5 a sides. The minute the announcer said 'St Louis' the booing started and continued for the remainder of our lap. Then sat 'up to our necks' listening to bigotry for 90 mins and vowed not to return... Though I did - and the atmospher was great - as I'd been promised the really bad songs had gone. Now they just sing 'Ulster till i die' on repeat for long periods. People say the away trips are great but I can only imagine what a NI Catholic would hear sung by the wondrous GAWA in the bars of Tallinn etc. Thats why I believe some people maybe cant connect with Northern Ireland football team. I will support them but only from my house. Discuss i went once too bap a long time ago, and tho not lucky/unlucky enough to be paraded round the pitch i left the game after about 15 mins because of the songs that were being sung, one of my workmates is a fanatic and swears to me it has changed,it probably has,always at me to go to a game,but once bitten an all that.......................shame really!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by DavyFTB on Nov 29, 2011 22:55:09 GMT
Think were starting to go off track here. IMO it's the national anthem of our country and it should be played before every national game.
Theres Damien Johnson, Sammy clingam, pat McCourt, nail mcginn,and many more Catholics that play and have played for NI. What's the difference in them and the players that won't play. Are they more bitter???
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Post by LENNY on Nov 29, 2011 22:56:13 GMT
I reckon big gerry is onto a non starter!! lol
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Post by junior on Nov 29, 2011 22:58:36 GMT
In my personal opinion if people don't want to play for northern Ireland when they are born and rared in this country then f**k them bigotry is hanging out of them its a clear political statement. As for the fans...changing the national anthem won't make one bit of difference, it wouldn't attract anybody that doesn't support them now change there minds. Pure n utter ignorance Junior. Are you trying to tell me a lad who who would rather play for Republic of Ireland over Northern Ireland is bigot?? plain and simple as that..dead on. Imo yes mate, its football nothing else...you play for your country. |
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Post by Jeff on Nov 29, 2011 23:01:19 GMT
You can choose whoever you want. Why would you choose your own country? I went to Windsor for my 1st game in 1983 and didnt know much about what they were singing. Continued to go down the years until parading round the pitch some time about 1990-92 as a prize for winning the NI 5 a sides. The minute the announcer said 'St Louis' the booing started and continued for the remainder of our lap. Then sat 'up to our necks' listening to bigotry for 90 mins and vowed not to return... Though I did - and the atmospher was great - as I'd been promised the really bad songs had gone. Now they just sing 'Ulster till i die' on repeat for long periods. People say the away trips are great but I can only imagine what a NI Catholic would hear sung by the wondrous GAWA in the bars of Tallinn etc. Thats why I believe some people maybe cant connect with Northern Ireland football team. I will support them but only from my house. Discuss i went once too bap a long time ago, and tho not lucky/unlucky enough to be paraded round the pitch i left the game after about 15 mins because of the songs that were being sung, one of my workmates is a fanatic and swears to me it has changed,it probably has,always at me to go to a game,but once bitten an all that.......................shame really!!!!!!!!!!!! Surely then the ira songs sung at the old lansdowne and celtic park would prove equally offensive, once bitten twice shy n all that ? (not singleing out one side ) If we allowed songs to dictate life we would never leave the house. The past is the past this country needs to move on |
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Post by LENNY on Nov 29, 2011 23:01:22 GMT
Think were starting to go off track here. IMO it's the national anthem of our country and it should be played before every national game. Theres Damien Johnson, Sammy clingam, pat McCourt, nail mcginn,and many more Catholics that play and have played for NI. What's the difference in them and the players that won't play. Are they more bitter??? me nor u will never know..but to just declare its because they are bigots is a disgrace. they possibly would just rather play for republic of ireland? possibly see playing for the republic of ireland as a better chance to play at a major finals? Their parents have been thrown abit of dosh?? highly unlikely, but would ye know?? so many different reasons lads.. |
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Post by Jeff on Nov 29, 2011 23:03:37 GMT
I reckon big gerry is onto a non starter!! lol Lol the bigman has no issue with the anthem he's stated that plenty of times |
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Post by LENNY on Nov 29, 2011 23:03:48 GMT
Pure n utter ignorance Junior. Are you trying to tell me a lad who who would rather play for Republic of Ireland over Northern Ireland is bigot?? plain and simple as that..dead on. Imo yes mate, its football nothing else...you play for your country. Right, hardcore opinion there.. |
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Post by QUIGS on Nov 29, 2011 23:05:33 GMT
Do you reckon then Lenny that the GAA would get more protestant players from Northern Ireland if they changed their anthem too Ridiculous post once again..what the f**k has that got to do with anything?? How is this a ridiculous post Lenny You've raised a subject about anthems and sport ......I'd accept that from a NI supporter,player or such and have said so in my 1st post.... But fairplay to you as a dyed in the wool ROI supporter with such a great family tradtion for the ROI team......again as I've tried to "hint" at ,but you bite,anthems can either unite ,divide or pass over ones head.....I still think its a subject up for discusion as is other local sports!! |
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Post by bap on Nov 29, 2011 23:07:02 GMT
Th atmosphere at Windsor has changed and they should be congratulated on what they have achieved. The match I went to in recent times was the night the Polish were skirmishing with their workmates. Luckily (or not depending on how you see it) for me the bus I was on headed not for the City Centre but for the Shankill NISC  Absolutely lovely it was too. They saw a bus pull up and we had to contribute to about 12 collections in an hour ;D Think it was a 5pm ko on a Sat evening so all in attendance had plenty of time to get tanked up. My ticket was for North Stand i think but I ended up on the Kop in a row with 40 others and about 20 seats. Artur Boruc was welcomed graciously and was in the crowds thoughts throughouts and he crumpled in a heap. But the main point is anytime any small pocket attempted a blast of anything even a tad religious the drum started and it was drowned out immediately with a long rendition of 'We're not Brazil' So in fairness to the GAWA they have done a good job in stamping that element out. But my point still stands on how you'd be received at an away game. |
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Post by junior on Nov 29, 2011 23:07:21 GMT
If I'm biting then so be it...
What a load of ballax lenny, Ryan giggs play for England or choose his own country?..did he ever play in a major competition?? Give me one good reason why Gibson would go to ROI knowing he hasn't a chance of playing apart from having a political point of view?
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Post by bap on Nov 29, 2011 23:09:39 GMT
If I'm biting then so be it... What a load of ballax lenny, Ryan giggs play for England or choose his own country?..did he ever play in a major competition?? Give me one good reason why Gibson would go to ROI knowing he hasn't a chance of playing apart from having a political point of view? Didnt Michael Owen drop Wales to become English for this very reason? |
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Post by LENNY on Nov 29, 2011 23:09:40 GMT
Ridiculous post once again..what the f**k has that got to do with anything?? How is this a ridiculous post Lenny You've raised a subject about anthems and sport ......I'd accept that from a NI supporter,player or such and have said so in my 1st post.... But fairplay to you as a dyed in the wool ROI supporter with such a great family tradtion for the ROI team......again as I've tried to "hint" at ,but you bite,anthems can either unite ,divide or pass over ones head.....I still think its a subject up for discusion as is other local sports!! start a thread about the gaa and changing anthems to see if it will attract more protestants.. This one is about INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALL. at the minute we are dicussing big gerrys debate about whether changing GSTQ will attract more catholics, or more, stop catholics 'jumping ship' to the republic or ireland. |
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Post by junior on Nov 29, 2011 23:11:47 GMT
If I'm biting then so be it... What a load of ballax lenny, Ryan giggs play for England or choose his own country?..did he ever play in a major competition?? Give me one good reason why Gibson would go to ROI knowing he hasn't a chance of playing apart from having a political point of view? Didnt Michael Owen drop Wales to become English for this very reason? Did he??...did he play for Welsh youth teams or always England?? |
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Post by LENNY on Nov 29, 2011 23:12:21 GMT
If I'm biting then so be it... What a load of ballax lenny, Ryan giggs play for England or choose his own country?..did he ever play in a major competition?? Give me one good reason why Gibson would go to ROI knowing he hasn't a chance of playing apart from having a political point of view? Forget about it junior were on different wavelength.. i thought i nearly read u compare england and wales to the same situation as northern ireland and Ireland..couldnt have though. |
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Post by pele on Nov 29, 2011 23:12:38 GMT
I actually think it would be a good idea dropping GSTQ and i do believe it would attract more Catholics to play for N Ireland as its plain to see Baird and Clingham are uncomfortable when its being played.
I heard Gary Lightbuddy wants to write a tune, what about 'run' get the windsor park faithful bouncing to that ;D
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Post by QUIGS on Nov 29, 2011 23:12:40 GMT
And for the record my uncle Jack took me to Windsor many years ago to Linfield v Flamengo in the Aul Kop.....and the abuse the Kop dished out was shocking ,to a young cub like me made me hate Linfield with a passion. But it was a cultural,old skool terrace thing......ignorant people spouting ignorant things....times have changed thou,people have aswell,some havnt n love to kick up that old dust !!
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Post by DavyFTB on Nov 29, 2011 23:13:39 GMT
Lenny you raised the other points if why these players are jumping ship, they are valid reasons why nationalists would move on. But I think junior is saying the ones that state the reason for not declaring is the national anthem are a tad bitter, and I must agree with him.
I'm not gonna say on here that I'm all anti sectarian because I would not stand for the soldier song and the only reason for that is the bitterness I have grew up with. But as time goes on and we are in the 21st century that bitterness fades.
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Post by LENNY on Nov 29, 2011 23:15:21 GMT
Lenny you raised the other points if why these players are jumping ship, they are valid reasons why nationalists would move on. But I think junior is saying the ones that state the reason for not declaring is the national anthem are a tad bitter, and I must agree with him. I'm not gonna say on here that I'm all anti sectarian because I would not stand for the soldier song and the only reason for that is the bitterness I have grew up with. But as time goes on and we are in the 21st century that bitterness fades. Junior didnt say that..he said any lad who declared for republic of ireland over northern ireland is a bigot.. |
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Absolutely lovely it was too. They saw a bus pull up and we had to contribute to about 12 collections in an hour ;D