Merger

[youngster]

May 10, 2011 13:08:15 GMT jnr88 said:

May 10, 2011 13:01:39 GMT youngster said:

Couldn't agree more mate but wot do u expect from a pig but a grunt,f**king joke but thats life,can see why teams are folding when things are run like this but like they said rules where broken but seems to be rules for some and different ones for others..

youngster what is your problem??

is kevin mcallister a higher level player?? - yes.
was he ticked against ahoghill thistle?? - no
with kevin mcallister not being ticked against ahoghill thistle and the fact he is higher level does this make him an ineligible player in this game?? - yes

therefore use played an ineligible player, by mistake or on purpose doesnt matter he was still ineligible for that game and that is why use lost the points for that match!! end of!!

fed up with your constant ganching on about how the league is poorly run etc, 41 years the league has been going for and it is as strong as ever so my da must be doing something right!!

Where in my thread or comments did i say the league was badly run?? look joe simple mistakes r made all the time and abit of common sense can be used at times everyone knows who played that nite but fair enough the wrong name was ticked but surely use as a committee can step in and see it was a mistake, we played a team a few weeks back and a supporter ran on and had a go at one of our players but did the ref or use do anythin about??NO i guess the ref didnt report it to use??

[Bale]

Said to perfection jnr88. You break the rules you get punished. Deliberate or not, dunloy have no legs to stand on, they fuxked up and they have to pay the price for it just like any other team. Rules at there for a reason, dunloy just can't take it they finally got caught out

League is perfectly run by the Montgomerys and a lot of great effort and time put into it. If you have any problems, am I not right in saying they can be brought up in the AGM at te start of each season!

[Bale]

Had a go youngster I was there. Rephrase that, there was no violent act at all. Just a bit of out of place banter

[jnr88]

us as a committee can only act on what is reported to us!! use could have reported that to the league and we would have had to investigate it as we would have done if the ref had reported it also!! and as we have done in another instance this season when a team made a complaint about conduct of another team and their supporters!! a committee member cant be at every game!!

"can see why teams are folding when things are run like this "

this statement alone would imply that you are saying the league is run badly!!

[youngster]

May 10, 2011 13:31:12 GMT Bale said:

Had a go youngster I was there. Rephrase that, there was no violent act at all. Just a bit of out of place banter

Wot u talking about he ran on pulled the shorts of our centre half down
( which he liked ) and stood on the far line slabbering and getting on but did the ref do anything about it??

[harty]

Youngster, obviously the supporter thing didn't annoy you too much at the time or you woulda went through the correct channels and reported the incident to the league rather than come onto a public forum and air it.

Monty does a great job and I would love to see any1 trying to better the job he does. He's always made it clear to anyone if there's anything going on that shouldn't be then report it to the league and it will be dealt with.

I think your posts are the mark of the man who feels his club have got unfairly treated. I think you'll find the league have been more than lenient with you's after your "admin error"

[norty]

Thats what jnr is saying though youngster, its not the leagues fault if the ref or yourselves didn't report it, they can only investigate something if its been reported.

It may seem harsh to have lost the 3 points for a simple mistake but as has been said rules are rules!

Personally i think the league is run very well and its a credit to everyone involved that its ran for so long and so successfully!

[MW6]

Tut tut.

Your so bad youngster.

I say lifetime ban for voicing an opinion.

[youngster]

May 10, 2011 13:31:47 GMT jnr88 said:

us as a committee can only act on what is reported to us!! use could have reported that to the league and we would have had to investigate it as we would have done if the ref had reported it also!! and as we have done in another instance this season when a team made a complaint about conduct of another team and their supporters!! a committee member cant be at every game!!

"can see why teams are folding when things are run like this "

this statement alone would imply that you are saying the league is run badly!!

Well joe considering how we got treated the last time we made a complaint i didnt want to go down that road considering wot it cost us the last time

sorry if a offended u or ur dad,wasn't intended i know wot time use put into running things but just think simple things like a wrongly ticked name are easy sorted (it would be different if we'd of put rev down as somebody else's name and got caught out )but use are the men who run things and make the final decision

[Rab]

If you dont make an appeal then the league will feel that it is correct to punish another team in a similar situation with the same severity if it were to happen again, it happened to them so it is happening to you. I know it does not mean anything to Dunloy/Ahoghill at the minute because of the situations with points in the league, but some day it will mean a lot to a team or even two or three teams. An appeal as a matter of principle would solve any perceived injustice, not just now but also in future cases

[youngster]

May 10, 2011 13:42:56 GMT norty said:

Thats what jnr is saying though youngster, its not the leagues fault if the ref or yourselves didn't report it, they can only investigate something if its been reported.

It may seem harsh to have lost the 3 points for a simple mistake but as has been said rules are rules!

Personally i think the league is run very well and its a credit to everyone involved that its ran for so long and so successfully!

Didnt see the point in reporting it when the ref said at the time he seen it and then in the changing rooms after said he didnt know wot happened,we got beat 3 -0 and to be honest getting big bennys arse bear was the highlight of the evening for us

[MW6]

Rab I never thought you knew as many big words as that.

[youngster]

May 10, 2011 13:43:36 GMT MW6 said:

Tut tut.

Your so bad youngster.

I say lifetime ban for voicing an opinion.

;D ;D ;D ;D

[Supersub14]

so was the player who was ticked by mistake also ineligible?

So were dunloy then playing 2 ineligible players then according to the "rules"

[jnr88]

what complaint did use make?? if you are talking about the abandoned game with ahoghill i think you will find the league acted on the decision made by the co antrim who found both teams guilty for the abandonement!! once again if you didnt agree with it use could have appealed it!!

rab, i cant believe that you cant see how the decision was correct a team played a player who was higher level and did not take the appropriate action on the card (ticking them) which is needed when a player is higher level therefore for that game he was ineligible regardless if it was a mistake or if they meant to do it!! it has heppened before and teams have been punished before and i am sure it will happen again but i think the league took the correct decison last night and the previous times as well!!

[jnr88]

May 10, 2011 14:00:11 GMT Supersub14 said:

so was the player who was ticked by mistake also ineligible?

So were dunloy then playing 2 ineligible players then according to the "rules"

no the only ineligible player was the one who wasnt ticked!!

[harty]

I bet Danaldo is seriously peeved about this whole situation.

[youngster]

May 10, 2011 14:03:28 GMT jnr88 said:

what complaint did use make?? if you are talking about the abandoned game with ahoghill i think you will find the league acted on the decision made by the co antrim who found both teams guilty for the abandonement!! once again if you didnt agree with it use could have appealed it!!

rab, i cant believe that you cant see how the decision was correct a team played a player who was higher level and did not take the appropriate action on the card (ticking them) which is needed when a player is higher level therefore for that game he was ineligible regardless if it was a mistake or if they meant to do it!! it has heppened before and teams have been punished before and i am sure it will happen again but i think the league took the correct decison last night and the previous times as well!!

Not going to bring up the whole ahoghill thing,its water under the bridge but i did speak to a man in the ifa and showed him the refs report and he couldnt believe with the ref sayin the match was abandoned due to the home supporters invading the field that we got nearly the same same fines and punishment as them and as for appealing it i think when i seen the outcome of the 1st meeing there wasnt much point in appealing it to give use more money..

[jnr88]

May 10, 2011 14:11:01 GMT youngster said:

May 10, 2011 14:03:28 GMT jnr88 said:

what complaint did use make?? if you are talking about the abandoned game with ahoghill i think you will find the league acted on the decision made by the co antrim who found both teams guilty for the abandonement!! once again if you didnt agree with it use could have appealed it!!

rab, i cant believe that you cant see how the decision was correct a team played a player who was higher level and did not take the appropriate action on the card (ticking them) which is needed when a player is higher level therefore for that game he was ineligible regardless if it was a mistake or if they meant to do it!! it has heppened before and teams have been punished before and i am sure it will happen again but i think the league took the correct decison last night and the previous times as well!!

Not going to bring up the whole ahoghill thing,its water under the bridge but i did speak to a man in the ifa and showed him the refs report and he couldnt believe with the ref sayin the match was abandoned due to the home supporters invading the field that we got nearly the same same fines and punishment as them and as for appealing it i think when i seen the outcome of the 1st meeing there wasnt much point in appealing it to give use more money..

why does the appeal money go to us?? read your rules youngie if you appeal it goes to the ifa and it cost £100 if the appeals body holds up the leagues decision you lose the £100 if the appeal rules in your favour you get your money back!! if you felt that the ifa would have ruled in your favour in both instances then you should have appealed!! i know that if i felt as strongly about a wrong doing as you obviosuly do i would been appealing the decision to clear my clubs name!!

[youngster]

May 10, 2011 14:17:54 GMT jnr88 said:

May 10, 2011 14:11:01 GMT youngster said:

Not going to bring up the whole ahoghill thing,its water under the bridge but i did speak to a man in the ifa and showed him the refs report and he couldnt believe with the ref sayin the match was abandoned due to the home supporters invading the field that we got nearly the same same fines and punishment as them and as for appealing it i think when i seen the outcome of the 1st meeing there wasnt much point in appealing it to give use more money..

why does the appeal money go to us?? read your rules youngie if you appeal it goes to the ifa and it cost £100 if the appeals body holds up the leagues decision you lose the £100 if the appeal rules in your favour you get your money back!! if you felt that the ifa would have ruled in your favour in both instances then you should have appealed!! i know that if i felt as strongly about a wrong doing as you obviosuly do i would been appealing the decision to clear my clubs name!!

Dont have a rule book joe thats maybe why we've broke so many rules so dont know where the money goes

No point in tryin to clear it now think everyone know us bye now...crowd of cheating c**ts

[pele]

May 10, 2011 13:46:16 GMT Rab said:

If you dont make an appeal then the league will feel that it is correct to punish another team in a similar situation with the same severity if it were to happen again, it happened to them so it is happening to you. I know it does not mean anything to Dunloy/Ahoghill at the minute because of the situations with points in the league, but some day it will mean a lot to a team or even two or three teams. An appeal as a matter of principle would solve any perceived injustice, not just now but also in future cases

This is a good idea and if he wins and gets the rule changed it will be known as the 'Youngster Rule' sorta like the Bosman ;D ;D ;D

[youngster]

May 10, 2011 14:30:07 GMT @pele said:

May 10, 2011 13:46:16 GMT Rab said:

If you dont make an appeal then the league will feel that it is correct to punish another team in a similar situation with the same severity if it were to happen again, it happened to them so it is happening to you. I know it does not mean anything to Dunloy/Ahoghill at the minute because of the situations with points in the league, but some day it will mean a lot to a team or even two or three teams. An appeal as a matter of principle would solve any perceived injustice, not just now but also in future cases

This is a good idea and if he wins and gets the rule changed it will be known as the 'Youngster Rule' sorta like the Bosman ;D ;D ;D

Good one mate like the sound of that,its got a nice ring to it..

[Rab]

May 10, 2011 14:03:28 GMT jnr88 said:

what complaint did use make?? if you are talking about the abandoned game with ahoghill i think you will find the league acted on the decision made by the co antrim who found both teams guilty for the abandonement!! once again if you didnt agree with it use could have appealed it!!

rab, i cant believe that you cant see how the decision was correct a team played a player who was higher level and did not take the appropriate action on the card (ticking them) which is needed when a player is higher level therefore for that game he was ineligible regardless if it was a mistake or if they meant to do it!! it has heppened before and teams have been punished before and i am sure it will happen again but i think the league took the correct decison last night and the previous times as well!!

I think the decision to punish is correct, but the severity of the punishment is severe in the circumstances, I would be confident that if an appeal where put to an arbitrator they would agree that the punishment is severe given that it was what looks like a genuine mistake that in the grand scheme of things, if the correct stroke of a pen had of been made on the card, then everything was above board and legit, it was an administrative error and not one which would have altered the result in any shape or form, if the other guy with the same surname was ticked then this is a normal legit game. For the league to then change the result of the game is wrong. A fine would have been a fair punishment in the circumstances as a reminder to Dunloy that it is important to fill the card out correctly. To lose 3 points over it is very severe and not a decision that I agree with

May 10, 2011 14:17:54 GMT jnr88 said:

May 10, 2011 14:11:01 GMT youngster said:

Not going to bring up the whole ahoghill thing,its water under the bridge but i did speak to a man in the ifa and showed him the refs report and he couldnt believe with the ref sayin the match was abandoned due to the home supporters invading the field that we got nearly the same same fines and punishment as them and as for appealing it i think when i seen the outcome of the 1st meeing there wasnt much point in appealing it to give use more money..

why does the appeal money go to us?? read your rules youngie if you appeal it goes to the ifa and it cost £100 if the appeals body holds up the leagues decision you lose the £100 if the appeal rules in your favour you get your money back!! if you felt that the ifa would have ruled in your favour in both instances then you should have appealed!! i know that if i felt as strongly about a wrong doing as you obviosuly do i would been appealing the decision to clear my clubs name!!

I agree, they should be appealing if they feel they have a case, it does give the club a bad name

[Donko]

Joe, I think if rab keeps going you should deduct a point off Westend

[BFP]

May 10, 2011 14:22:53 GMT youngster said:

May 10, 2011 14:17:54 GMT jnr88 said:

why does the appeal money go to us?? read your rules youngie if you appeal it goes to the ifa and it cost £100 if the appeals body holds up the leagues decision you lose the £100 if the appeal rules in your favour you get your money back!! if you felt that the ifa would have ruled in your favour in both instances then you should have appealed!! i know that if i felt as strongly about a wrong doing as you obviosuly do i would been appealing the decision to clear my clubs name!!

Dont have a rule book joe thats maybe why we've broke so many rules so dont know where the money goes

No point in tryin to clear it now think everyone know us bye now...crowd of cheating c**ts

every club secretary was issued with a rule book by the IFA and possibly by the Co Antrim FA, so you or someone at your club should have one.

On the subject of the points deduction, this is the first I have heard of this, I thought Dunloy were being docked points for playing illegal players against Shore Wanderers? Is that twice this year they have been docked points then? Once against Thistle and once against Shore? Or am I getting my wires crossed? Could have swore someone told me they played ringers against Shore?

[youngster]

May 10, 2011 14:50:14 GMT BFP said:

May 10, 2011 14:22:53 GMT youngster said:

Dont have a rule book joe thats maybe why we've broke so many rules so dont know where the money goes

No point in tryin to clear it now think everyone know us bye now...crowd of cheating c**ts

every club secretary was issued with a rule book by the IFA and possibly by the Co Antrim FA, so you or someone at your club should have one.

On the subject of the points deduction, this is the first I have heard of this, I thought Dunloy were being docked points for playing illegal players against Shore Wanderers? Is that twice this year they have been docked points then? Once against Thistle and once against Shore? Or am I getting my wires crossed? Could have swore someone told me they played ringers against Shore?

Naw mate u def have them crossed,we were accused because wee beat them 7-3,so we had to play ringers to beat them but the same team played against ahoghill and most of the other games but when we got beat we never got accused of playin ringers and it was the same team..funny that,i should of made a few complaints this year for we shouldn't of lost any games ;D ;D

[Rab]

I think it is assumed they were playing ringers against Shore because they beat them, but no protest was made, so in the next game against Ahoghill Thistle, Ahoghill assumed Dunloy were playing ringers against them because they beat them also, so they put in a protest and it comes back that there is no proof that any ringers were playing, the card being filled out in a correct manner was the crime that was committed and the punishment was a 3 point deduction and a £50 fine

[jnr88]

rab do you agree that kevin mcallister was ineligible due to him not being ticked on the match card??

if you do then i cant see how you cant agree that awarding the points to thistle was the correct decision!!

[etk]

May 10, 2011 14:44:04 GMT Donko said:

Joe, I think if rab keeps going you should deduct a point off Westend

;D ;D

[MW6]

What classifies you to be higher league?