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Post by BFP on Apr 22, 2011 9:19:58 GMT
Can someone please tell me what this is about? I know its for the victims of the Hillsborough disaster, but what justice are liverpool fans actually looking for exactly?
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Post by dingle on Apr 22, 2011 9:21:31 GMT
The alleged lies by newspapers (the sun) and cover up by the police into events
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Post by BFP on Apr 22, 2011 9:28:50 GMT
Surely they arent looking to a newspaper for justice, wtf. I dont know much about it nor do I know much about what the police have said in terms of covering things up, but surely Liverpool fans have to put some blame on themselves, again I may be well wrong here, but was it not caused by alot of Liverpool fans trying to get into the ground without tickets? Surely alot of blame has to lie with them? Another thing that bugs me is people in their early to mid 20's and younger going on about it. They were too young to even remember it, or maybe weren't even born, yet they go on like it has devastated part of their life!!! Maybe im just saying this cos Liverpool fans really p1ss me off, but thats my view on the issue.
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Post by d1986 on Apr 22, 2011 9:46:23 GMT
Are you serious? What an absolute ridiculous thread. Maybe if you spent the time it took writing that pish on doing a bit of research then you would get answers to your questions. Liverpool fans were NOT to blame. How can anybody be offended by people wishing to remember 96 dead including women and children. You are an absolute disgrace of a person.
And if this is a futile attempt to get people to bite then shame on you using such a topic.
You may have been treated harshly on this forum before Bfp but your rep is now well and truly tarnished. Scumbag.
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Post by Carlton Palmer on Apr 22, 2011 10:12:47 GMT
What happened that day should never have happened, and the South Yorkshire Police have every bit as much 'blame' as the mindless mob who tried to push their way into Leppings Lane despite the fact that it was already clearly overcrowded.
The 'justice' spoken about, to me, relates to the 'establishment' cover-up that occurred both on the day and in the weeks that followed- many families didn't get to identify the bodies of their loved ones for DAYS afterwards, much less bury them. The authorities moved quickly to ensure that all blame for the tragedy was laid at the door of 'football hooligans' (easy to do in 1989, since hooliganism was rife then), when in reality a fair portion of responsibility rested with the S.Y.P., who were completely unprepared and ill-equipped to effectively police an F.A. Cup Semi-Final.
Additionally, Hillsborough was a poor choice for such a large game- it may have had a decent capacity, but other venues such as Villa Park and Old Trafford were used on a much more frequent basis and experienced such large crowds on a more frequent basis, and both West Midlands Police and/or Greater Manchester Police would have been much more comfortable dealing with such a game.... good knowledge in hindsight, admittedly.
THE COLOUR OF SCARVES WORN BY THOSE THAT PERISHED THAT DAY ARE IRRELEVANT. They were all just human beings who, LIKE US, loved football, they were someone's husband/father/son/mother/daughter/wife.... and every time I see something relating to the tragedy, it tears at me.
I pity their families, left behind to wonder how it could happen, why it was allowed to happen, and wonder why the 'establishment' won't just admit that they tried to blame hooliganism, whenever the police had over-riding responsibility for those peoples' safety. Most of all I pity Trevor Hicks and his ex-wife... to lose one daughter would have been terrible, to lose both girls, well, words fail me.
I hope no other family will ever have to wonder how their son/daughter could leave the house to go to watch their football team, and never return again.
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Post by Carlton Palmer on Apr 22, 2011 10:20:53 GMT
Another way to look at it. If someone is driving a car and fall asleep at the wheel and causes an accident that causes the death of someone. Should they be charged with manslaughter or should it be swept under the carpet because the driver didnt mean to kill anyone? 96 people do not die by accident, someone has to be accountable for what happened on that day.
Justice for the 96 YOU,LL NEVER WALK ALONE
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Post by QUIGS on Apr 22, 2011 10:29:05 GMT
Your reputation is well and truely tarnished .
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Post by Donko on Apr 22, 2011 10:39:17 GMT
Reptarnished could change his name to Kelvin MacKenzie
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Post by QUIGS on Apr 22, 2011 10:43:29 GMT
Reptarnished could change his name to Kelvin MacKenzie Too true  |
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Post by d1986 on Apr 22, 2011 10:45:48 GMT
Why would someone even start a thread like this??
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Post by Donko on Apr 22, 2011 10:47:08 GMT
Did anybody see the Alexei Sayle programme where he tried to give copies of the Sun away for free in Liverpool, and not 1 person took it
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Post by harty on Apr 22, 2011 10:51:48 GMT
If anybody would like this thread deleted, then please say so.
IMO its absolutely ridiculous.
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Post by Carlton Palmer on Apr 22, 2011 10:51:52 GMT
Did anybody see the Alexei Sayle programme where he tried to give copies of the Sun away for free in Liverpool, and not 1 person took it Ronnie Whelan and Ray Houghton were meant to play in a charity match down south this weekend but pulled out when they heard the Sun were sponsering the event. |
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Post by EricTheKing on Apr 22, 2011 10:53:11 GMT
Give him a chance lads. There are alot of people don't know the story behind this. Maybe he just wanted to find out?
Reserve, I was thinking the same thing myself when you started the ryan giggs thread.
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Post by d1986 on Apr 22, 2011 11:01:16 GMT
How you compare a thread about Hillsborough with one about Ryan Giggs doing the dirt on his wife and children.
96 football fans died that day. They were innocent people who were watching a football match. I can't see how people should be chastised for remembering them.
If you don't know about something then you don't just start a thread and throw wild accusations about. Especially about such a sensitive subject
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Post by QUIGS on Apr 22, 2011 11:03:08 GMT
on the 15th April 1989,24000 Liverpool fans travelled to south yorkshire for an FA cup semi-final match with Forest at Hillsborough...........96 never returned "these fans only turned up to watch a football match which had been organised by a Football Association which DICTATED the ground,the kick off time and what ends the clubs were put into.THey put the organisation in charge of - South Yorkshire Police.Something went wrong.Everything went perfect the year before,so something went wrong somewhere!!! If somebody would just stand up and hold themselves accountable for it then im sure the families would rest happily with that. They are not looking a great deal,just for some one to take responsibility for what happened " SIR KENNY DALGLISH |
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Post by Donko on Apr 22, 2011 11:05:20 GMT
How you compare a thread about Hillsborough with one about Ryan Giggs doing the dirt on his wife and children. ALLEGEDLY doing the dirt, unless you have a lot of money and can break a super-injunction you would be best not making such speculative accusations. |
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Post by d1986 on Apr 22, 2011 11:11:48 GMT
Isn't that what this thread is about? Let's all just throw speculative accusations around about things we know nothing about...
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Post by QUIGS on Apr 22, 2011 11:17:56 GMT
1. Polce allocated the smaller end of Hillsborough to Liverpool .Why??? 2. Chief Superintendent David Duckenfields 1st Major match in charge of.Why??? 3.Duckenfield opened Gate C allowing 2000 fans to flood into middle pen of an allready overcrowded Leppings Lane.Why??? 4.It was the police who ignored crys of help.it was police who battoned down supporters who tried to escape over the perimeter fence.Why??? 5.It was police who watched CCTV pictures unfold of the carnage below and done nothing. It waS POLICE WHO LATER CLAIMED the CCTV was broke .Why??? 6. At 3.06 on that fatefull day when the game was stopped that police prevented 44 AMBULANCES from helping dying and injured fans. Why  7. the Coroner IMPOSED a 3.15 cut off time at the Enquiry hearing,claiming all victims were brain dead after that,thus letting off the Emergency services of any Criminal neglect. WHY JUSTICE FOR THE 96 . |
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Post by QUIGS on Apr 22, 2011 11:21:22 GMT
THE FIGHT GOES ON,AND ITS AS RELEVANT TODAY AS IT EVER WAS. TOO MANY QUESTIONS REMAIN UNANSWERED. TOO MANY LIES ARE STILL ACCEPTED BY THE MASSES. www.dontbuythesun.co.uk |
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Post by BFP on Apr 22, 2011 11:25:01 GMT
How you compare a thread about Hillsborough with one about Ryan Giggs doing the dirt on his wife and children. 96 football fans died that day. They were innocent people who were watching a football match. I can't see how people should be chastised for remembering them. If you don't know about something then you don't just start a thread and throw wild accusations about. Especially about such a sensitive subject Reserve, i think you need to check my posts again, i was simply on enquiring about it, and i stated several times that i didnt know much about it, i just stated what all i knew about it, which was very little, (as i stated in the post) and all i know (can gather) about it was that alot of liverpool fans tried to get into the ground without tickets and this caused a "crush" which sadly killed 96 very unfortunate, very innocent and very much loved people, i dont know if that is true or not, just putting it out there that i know very little about it. This is a football forum, and so i posted it here to find out more about it. when i mention that it annoys me that people who were too young to remember it yet go on about it and claiming JF96 etc well im only saying how i feel, some people are going on about it for all the wrong reasons, and IMO that is an injustice to the 96 in itself. |
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Post by BFP on Apr 22, 2011 11:27:09 GMT
If anybody would like this thread deleted, then please say so. IMO its absolutely ridiculous. Harty on what basis are you looking it deleted? and what is ridiculous about it? What exactly have I done wrong, and what rule of the forum have i broken that would allow it to be deleted? |
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Post by BFP on Apr 22, 2011 11:29:14 GMT
1. Polce allocated the smaller end of Hillsborough to Liverpool .Why??? 2. Chief Superintendent David Duckenfields 1st Major match in charge of.Why??? 3.Duckenfield opened Gate C allowing 2000 fans to flood into middle pen of an allready overcrowded Leppings Lane.Why??? 4.It was the police who ignored crys of help.it was police who battoned down supporters who tried to escape over the perimeter fence.Why??? 5.It was police who watched CCTV pictures unfold of the carnage below and done nothing. It waS POLICE WHO LATER CLAIMED the CCTV was broke .Why??? 6. At 3.06 on that fatefull day when the game was stopped that police prevented 44 AMBULANCES from helping dying and injured fans. Why 7. the Coroner IMPOSED a 3.15 cut off time at the Enquiry hearing,claiming all victims were brain dead after that,thus letting off the Emergency services of any Criminal neglect. WHY JUSTICE FOR THE 96 . and there we go, exactly why i started the thread, to know more about it. Jesus lads, you's need to wind the necks in abit. |
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Post by QUIGS on Apr 22, 2011 11:30:26 GMT
How you compare a thread about Hillsborough with one about Ryan Giggs doing the dirt on his wife and children. 96 football fans died that day. They were innocent people who were watching a football match. I can't see how people should be chastised for remembering them. If you don't know about something then you don't just start a thread and throw wild accusations about. Especially about such a sensitive subject Reserve, i think you need to check my posts again, i was simply on enquiring about it, and i stated several times that i didnt know much about it, i just stated what all i knew about it, which was very little, (as i stated in the post) and all i know (can gather) about it was that alot of liverpool fans tried to get into the ground without tickets and this caused a "crush" which sadly killed 96 very unfortunate, very innocent and very much loved people, i dont know if that is true or not, just putting it out there that i know very little about it. This is a football forum, and so i posted it here to find out more about it. when i mention that it annoys me that people who were too young to remember it yet go on about it and claiming JF96 etc well im only saying how i feel, some people are going on about it for all the wrong reasons, and IMO that is an injustice to the 96 in itself. and all your quoting is lies and spin from a media source that you should really know better than to quote !!!!! had you not your name "tarnished " in here by someone and you kicked up a hell of a fuss..........yet you think its fine and dandy to do the same in relation to Liverpool supporters on that fateful day  |
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Post by harty on Apr 22, 2011 11:31:05 GMT
when i mention that it annoys me that people who were too young to remember it yet go on about it and claiming JF96 etc . If thats the case you are very easily annoyed. I'm pretty sure the young people who "go on about it" as you like to call it have more understanding of what happened than you appear to do. |
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Post by QUIGS on Apr 22, 2011 11:33:45 GMT
when i mention that it annoys me that people who were too young to remember it yet go on about it and claiming JF96 etc . If thats the case you are very easily annoyed. I'm pretty sure the young people who "go on about it" as you like to call it have more understanding of what happened than you appear to do. and so we forget also the sacrifice in Great Wars to keep our freedom and democracy from an evil tyranny that was Nazi Germany..........i dont think so BFP  |
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Post by d1986 on Apr 22, 2011 11:34:52 GMT
That's fair enough. If you say there was no malice intended then I apologise. It's just that the view you expressed is the same shortsighted one that every anti-Liverpool person adopts. They don't know the facts so they just believe the lies.
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Post by QUIGS on Apr 22, 2011 11:37:27 GMT
and wait for this gem BFP.......Phil Hammond ,who lost his son Phillip,14, was rewarded £3500 in compensation.....................1 officer that i can atm assertain,was awarded £333.000 for post tramautic stress !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by BFP on Apr 22, 2011 11:38:47 GMT
Im not saying I believe the lies, im just putting out there what i have heard, and trying to get a better understanding of it.
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Post by harty on Apr 22, 2011 11:42:40 GMT
If anybody would like this thread deleted, then please say so. IMO its absolutely ridiculous. Harty on what basis are you looking it deleted? and what is ridiculous about it? What exactly have I done wrong, and what rule of the forum have i broken that would allow it to be deleted? You didn't break any rules on the forum. I'm allowed an opinion the same as you. I thought your post showed contempt for the 96 supporters who lost their lives at Hillsborough and if I was a Liverpool fan I would have been very annoyed as some were judging by the reactions. I was simpy offering to delete it to diffuse any bad feeling which may arise as a result. |
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