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Post by sugar on Oct 24, 2005 11:42:21 GMT
Did anyone hear what happened at the match on saturday. Heard a couple of different versions but interested to hear what's on the rumour mill.
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Post by rustyshackleford on Oct 24, 2005 12:51:24 GMT
I havent heard about it, but id like to hear some of these versions...
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Post by LENNY on Oct 24, 2005 13:08:25 GMT
apparently becks bummed ratman in the showers, arfur got jealous and quit  |
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Post by rustyshackleford on Oct 24, 2005 13:09:44 GMT
I can believe becks doing that but arfur quitting?!
Never!
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Post by Mitty on Oct 24, 2005 17:16:14 GMT
Well it finally happened, IMO a bust up has been brewing in the strollers camp for well over a year I would say now, and on saturday it finally happened!
Some people would say the club is run like a dictatorship(not neccessarily my thoughts!), and that is part of the problem, as perhaps the players are not involved enough is the running/well being of the club. Its a difficult job looking after one team on your own, so god knows what its like looking after two teams on your own.
Anyway, about the bust up, on saturday afternoon, after a poor 1st half performance against a average enough Coleraine Crusaders team, there apparently (as I wasnt in the changing room at the time) were a few harsh words were spoken, a couple players reacted to what was being said, and as the players were coming out for the 2nd half, our captain, didnt appear, and was replaced by a sub.
I wont comment on what was said, as again I wasnt there, but I know at LEAST one other player overheard the conversation between the captain and manager.
Needless to say, our captain is one of our best players,he has the respect of both the morning team and afternnon team players, and is a good captain. If he feels he cannot stay at the club, it would be a big loss for the team.
As probably both teams have youngest squad in their respected leagues, Demense cannot afford to keep losing their better, experienced players. (As the oldest players in the afternnon team is 23).
I for one hope that all parties can sit down and get the problem sorted, and help get Demense back on the track it fell off a couple years ago.
SOme in the club also say that certain players dont care about the 'decline' of both teams. I disagree entirely with that entirely. Some people react differently to the situation, but if the players there didnt want to be there, they wouldnt be there.
Anybody else have (sensible!) opinions on this?
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Post by rustyshackleford on Oct 24, 2005 18:06:43 GMT
It would a disaster for the club if the captain left. As you said he has the respect of both teams, is a good captain and is a really dead on guy. We need him to stay. I think we definitly need more people involved with demesne to help out with training etc. Someone that Arthur gets on well with would be great. I heard from an informant what was said in the changing room and it sounds kinda typical of Arthur taking it out on Sammy. The last few matches i was playing i could see tension was building up due to the negative comments at half time. Some of which wasnt deserved. Sammy clearly was doing what a captain does and standing up for the players, it would be a big shame if he were to leave. As you said mitty we cant have these older more experienced players leaving due to arguments between manager and players.
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Post by becks23 on Oct 24, 2005 18:34:15 GMT
apparently becks bummed ratman in the showers, arfur got jealous and quit wrong way round lenny. im the lady in our relationship. |
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Post by becks23 on Oct 24, 2005 18:41:07 GMT
heard all about this. dont know wat to say. but im an arfur man till i die. up the AMCFF Arfurs never wrong. he always gets it right. i mean he was right not to speak to me when i asked could i sign for penarol who wer a division 1 team while demense wer in div 3. i learnt my lesson and now im back with my name on a form for the strollers and me and big segal get on the best now.  arfurs never been wrong, he cant be wrong. its a bit like matt le tissier missing a penalty or richie rich missin a beat. that s**ts never going to happen. up the AMCFF |
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Post by rustyshackleford on Oct 25, 2005 1:02:50 GMT
Very true young becks. Never ever does he get it wrong. Playing that 1-3-6 formation would have worked if people had have pulled their wieght. I apologise for doubting the big man. Up the AMCFF til the day i die.
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Post by becks23 on Oct 25, 2005 8:39:50 GMT
some people would say that putting andy hampton into midfield was rather silly saying that andy is a centre half and even andy will tell u that he not exactly a midfield player.
but if arfur feels he can play there then obviously were all wrong and andy should be playing there every week.
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Post by sugar on Oct 25, 2005 11:32:57 GMT
Heard the story from both Arthur and Sammy. Seemingly, after a poor first half performance ther was a lot of tension in the changing room at half time. Arthur asked the players if they had anything to say and Sammy basically said that the players were always told to shut up whenever they try to contribute. Don't think Arthur replied at that point but just as they were about to head out for the second half Arthur told Sammy he was the worst player he had ever seen ( he used a number of expletives in explaining this). Arthur however says that he just told Sam that he was the worst player on the pitch on that particular day (not so severe). Anyway, Sam said that if that's what Arthur thought then he wasn't playing anymore, took his shirt off and walked out. He then went to tell brother Thomas what had happened. Thomas then confronted Arthur as the match continued and basically told Arthur what he thought of him.
As far as im concerned all this agro comes from The Ally Gorden?quentin McFall days when Arthur felt that some of the players, ie. Sam and Tom, sided with them rather than him and he hasn't forgiven them since. (it's not like Arthur to hold a grudge).
Can't see Arthur having them back and can't see them going back.
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Post by rustyshackleford on Oct 25, 2005 11:37:56 GMT
Oh thats not good. We cant have Sam and Tom leave. Theyve been at the club quite a while and it would be a big shame if they were to go. We need someone upstairs to potentially sort this feud out
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Post by sugar on Oct 25, 2005 11:43:19 GMT
arthur basically told me that there's no point in Sam and Tom going to Ian or Francis because it's his club and they have nothing to do with it. Can't see any solution. Sam and Tom don't really want to play for anyone else but don't have much choice.
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Post by rustyshackleford on Oct 25, 2005 11:46:47 GMT
Yeh i know, its good bunch of lads at the club and we all get on well. Its a shame this had to happen
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Post by becks23 on Oct 25, 2005 15:25:59 GMT
well its a shame. sure they could play for cullybackey?
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Post by rustyshackleford on Oct 25, 2005 15:29:23 GMT
Nah we wouldnt want them going to them jokers! Theyre are arch rivals!
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Post by Mitty on Oct 25, 2005 21:41:27 GMT
Heard the story from both Arthur and Sammy. Seemingly, after a poor first half performance ther was a lot of tension in the changing room at half time. Arthur asked the players if they had anything to say and Sammy basically said that the players were always told to shut up whenever they try to contribute. Don't think Arthur replied at that point but just as they were about to head out for the second half Arthur told Sammy he was the worst player he had ever seen ( he used a number of expletives in explaining this). Arthur however says that he just told Sam that he was the worst player on the pitch on that particular day (not so severe). Anyway, Sam said that if that's what Arthur thought then he wasn't playing anymore, took his shirt off and walked out. He then went to tell brother Thomas what had happened. Thomas then confronted Arthur as the match continued and basically told Arthur what he thought of him. As far as im concerned all this agro comes from The Ally Gorden?quentin McFall days when Arthur felt that some of the players, ie. Sam and Tom, sided with them rather than him and he hasn't forgiven them since. (it's not like Arthur to hold a grudge). Can't see Arthur having them back and can't see them going back. Its going to turn into a very bad situation here. Not only will we losing 2 good players( who I doubt he will get get decent replacments for) but it seems then that a personal grudge, and sheer stuborness could severly effect the club in the long run. Personally I think the club is run under whoever it suits best at the time, ie either Arthur at times, or Wakehurst at other times. I would also be a player who sided with the other 2 managers when they came in, so am I next in line( or maybe I already have been for the past 2 years!) I really dont think anybody could argue that when Ally came in the season before last, Strollers played their best football and got their best results at this time. And also at that time we were knew in the league and didnt really know what to expect from the teams in that league. I dont really care if people dont get on with Arthur, Quinton or Ally, but as long as you respect the manager, without having to like him, then thats a start, you will play for him as you respect him. For those who were there at the time, remember the atmsohere we used to get at the games at Smithfield, we had good crack,and we beat some of the best teams in the intermediate league there. We now do seem to a team with no confidence whatsoever. Maybe some players are scared to make mistakes, in fear of getting a ballsin from the touchline. Maybe sometimes instead of constantly shouting at a player for making a mistake, why dont we try to fix the problem by working on what is that players weak point. Maybe instead of shouting abuse at a player, maybe a little encouragement would be a pleasant change, to help build up his confidence. Maybe a couple of the older, established players should have a bigger say in the team(s). I dont care what anybody says, one man on his own can not do the job for two teams. Some players take the training,so why cant they get involved in abything else. For example, for both teams, why not have player committee, where there could be 2 or 3 players who can act as a go between for the manager and the players. This might not be the best idea, but something needs to be done. To be playing in the intermediate league, and not even have a Demense tracksuit of our own, when nearly every other club in the BMSL league has one, is quite frankly a disgrace(this is probably not the fault of one person- as a team we are all partly to blame). The whole point of playing is to enjoy it, and unfortunately at Demense I dont think too many players are enjoying it at the minute, and if the better players in the team leave, then it doesnt look too much brighter. |
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Post by Toffeeman on Oct 26, 2005 7:21:49 GMT
Maybe i'm wrong but when we (Westend) played Star earlier this season there seemed to be all sorts of unease between players, manager and the spectators even.
As the first half wore on Arthur's blood pressure seemed to be rising and the players seemed to be playing with no confidence. After Arthur's desparation got so much that he had to cheat (dodgy penalty and even more dodgy sending off), none of the players seemed to want to play for him anymore after that. Spoke to a few i knew that were watching it and they could only apologise and some of the players came into our changing room after and also apologised. Somit doesn't quite seem right when everyone seems to be on the same wavelength except the one man who needs to be.
I know i will be voting arthur off the league committee when the agm comes round again!!
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Post by becks23 on Oct 26, 2005 14:45:28 GMT
just get over it cussy. just cause he gave a penalty against u.lol
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Post by becks23 on Oct 26, 2005 14:46:35 GMT
Heard the story from both Arthur and Sammy. Seemingly, after a poor first half performance ther was a lot of tension in the changing room at half time. Arthur asked the players if they had anything to say and Sammy basically said that the players were always told to shut up whenever they try to contribute. Don't think Arthur replied at that point but just as they were about to head out for the second half Arthur told Sammy he was the worst player he had ever seen ( he used a number of expletives in explaining this). Arthur however says that he just told Sam that he was the worst player on the pitch on that particular day (not so severe). Anyway, Sam said that if that's what Arthur thought then he wasn't playing anymore, took his shirt off and walked out. He then went to tell brother Thomas what had happened. Thomas then confronted Arthur as the match continued and basically told Arthur what he thought of him. As far as im concerned all this agro comes from The Ally Gorden?quentin McFall days when Arthur felt that some of the players, ie. Sam and Tom, sided with them rather than him and he hasn't forgiven them since. (it's not like Arthur to hold a grudge). Can't see Arthur having them back and can't see them going back. Its going to turn into a very bad situation here. Not only will we losing 2 good players( who I doubt he will get get decent replacments for) but it seems then that a personal grudge, and sheer stuborness could severly effect the club in the long run. Personally I think the club is run under whoever it suits best at the time, ie either Arthur at times, or Wakehurst at other times. I would also be a player who sided with the other 2 managers when they came in, so am I next in line( or maybe I already have been for the past 2 years!) I really dont think anybody could argue that when Ally came in the season before last, Strollers played their best football and got their best results at this time. And also at that time we were knew in the league and didnt really know what to expect from the teams in that league. I dont really care if people dont get on with Arthur, Quinton or Ally, but as long as you respect the manager, without having to like him, then thats a start, you will play for him as you respect him. For those who were there at the time, remember the atmsohere we used to get at the games at Smithfield, we had good crack,and we beat some of the best teams in the intermediate league there. We now do seem to a team with no confidence whatsoever. Maybe some players are scared to make mistakes, in fear of getting a ballsin from the touchline. Maybe sometimes instead of constantly shouting at a player for making a mistake, why dont we try to fix the problem by working on what is that players weak point. Maybe instead of shouting abuse at a player, maybe a little encouragement would be a pleasant change, to help build up his confidence. Maybe a couple of the older, established players should have a bigger say in the team(s). I dont care what anybody says, one man on his own can not do the job for two teams. Some players take the training,so why cant they get involved in abything else. For example, for both teams, why not have player committee, where there could be 2 or 3 players who can act as a go between for the manager and the players. This might not be the best idea, but something needs to be done. To be playing in the intermediate league, and not even have a Demense tracksuit of our own, when nearly every other club in the BMSL league has one, is quite frankly a disgrace(this is probably not the fault of one person- as a team we are all partly to blame). The whole point of playing is to enjoy it, and unfortunately at Demense I dont think too many players are enjoying it at the minute, and if the better players in the team leave, then it doesnt look too much brighter. well sammy and thomas were always siding with quinton and slaggin arfur and now they want his respect. quinton was a ballbag |
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Post by Mitty on Oct 26, 2005 15:27:25 GMT
[/quote] well sammy and thomas were always siding with quinton and slaggin arfur and now they want his respect. quinton was a ballbag[/quote] I dont think thats any excuse Becks for went on on Saturday. Sure I would rather have a s**te team that gets beat every week with players I only like, rather than have a half decent team who will win a few games , although maybe I dont like some of them,they dont like me, but are good footballers,want to get better and will put the effort in.  I dont think anyone can say Sammy never worked hard for the team. |
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Post by becks23 on Oct 26, 2005 15:47:45 GMT
he does like, im just saying that all last season he pure used to pure agree wen quinton said bout turning up half hour before kick off and the rest of us thought wat a joke. theres other examples like but thats y there is tension between them. they just both hate each other. dont think any other players should get involved. no point like cause ive heard other players are going to leave over the head of this. which is a bit mad like. sayin as its just a personl feud between sammy and arfur.
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Post by Mitty on Oct 26, 2005 17:08:03 GMT
Becks I think the incident with Sammy has just brought the whole thing to a head.
Form what I gather a few of the players arent happy withthe way things are going.We have got beat in 7 of the last 8 games. I would think that if any players were happy with that record, then they shouldnt be playing at all.
The point has to be made that Demense cant afford to lose its better players, becasue simply the players who will probbaly be taken fomr the morning team just arent good enough o play at that level(at this time anyway).
So maybe this is why the better players are tlaking about leaving, as there doesnt seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel.
Loks at the players we have lost on the past 2 years. Likes of Conor Crily, Ricky Cameron, etc. Really good players.
Thats why I think it should all be sorted now before it gets out of hand.
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Post by becks23 on Oct 26, 2005 20:29:50 GMT
theres no solution in my opinion. arfur wont leave obviously. and ian gregg needs demense for the reserve team. i dont know wat to say really. its all a bit wrellie. be interesting to see wat happenes with this IFA reserve league if it starts next season. then ian wouldnt need arfur but i dont think he would just discard him. at end of the day its just a fall out with arfur and sammy.
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Post by Stevie d on Oct 27, 2005 11:55:29 GMT
If sammy just came back to trainin arfur would probably just forgive him, i don't think arfur would hold a grudge or anything. Weeeeeeggghhh
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Post by ratman on Oct 27, 2005 14:36:13 GMT
Any man, woman or child, bad mouthing, undermining or threatening our leader, Mr Arthur McClean, will be shot. AMcCFF.
McCullough Twins - Quentin McFall Touts. RIP.
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Post by Mitty on Oct 27, 2005 15:37:10 GMT
Any man, woman or child, bad mouthing, undermining or threatening our leader, Mr Arthur McClean, will be shot. AMcCFF. McCullough Twins - Quentin McFall Touts. RIP. Ill spread the word. Apparently the A-AMcCFF (Anti- Arthur McClean Freedom fighters)have already been set up by two bitter brothers(dont think they are Egyptian though), they are well organised, armed and ready for battle. No time after 18.00 hours though, dont think their mum likes them staying out after dark. |
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Post by becks23 on Oct 27, 2005 15:40:43 GMT
Any man, woman or child, bad mouthing, undermining or threatening our leader, Mr Arthur McClean, will be shot. AMcCFF. McCullough Twins - Quentin McFall Touts. RIP. Ill spread the word. Apparently the A-AMcCFF (Anti- Arthur McClean Freedom fighters)have already been set up by two bitter brothers(dont think they are Egyptian though), they are well organised, armed and ready for battle. No time after 18.00 hours though, dont think their mum likes them staying out after dark. the AMCFF will never surrender. we'll fight them on the beaches and in the air. long live arfur mclean |
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Post by Mitty on Oct 27, 2005 15:57:18 GMT
I think the A-AMcFF were thinking more of Smithfield car park.
Getting to a beach, or hiring a plane would probably be a tad too expensice for them.
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Post by becks23 on Oct 27, 2005 16:06:55 GMT
I think the A-AMcFF were thinking more of Smithfield car park. Getting to a beach, or hiring a plane would probably be a tad too expensice for them. there obviously not in our league. easy easy easy |
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