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Post by Geppetto on Feb 21, 2012 21:39:58 GMT
My theory is simple around the world we have borders to separate countrys.Correct.Yes..now if you are born in that country cared for by there hospital,brought up there attending school,play football with your friends as kids there,join a club there,groomed on there soil in there youth leagues and picked to cross the water.Why the fek would you play for another country were you didnt do any of this?  ?........now if its a bit of a mixture you were born and moved things were mixed up i would understand.But if its a country you maybe spent a wend /week in the odd time or your great Granda bought his dog there i think you should take a look at yourself.I disagree with all this great Granda lived there s**t.If your born and rared in a country play for em.Simples.I would be against an Englishman etc wearing a N.Ireland shirt (Dowie) for example and hate when this relation rule came in.Also a believer in not letting foriegn managers run your country to.Wee rant be proud of were you were born don't get some guys.We are all Northern Irish this isnt a sectarian point of view its just cold hard truth in my eyes Gibson etc are a disgrace  .If your parents were born here you have no excuse to say if you made it you would play for the Republic because you never lived there and aint Southern Irish.#justsayinglike |
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Post by goram on Feb 21, 2012 21:41:53 GMT
My theory is simple around the world we have borders to separate countrys.Correct.Yes..now if you are born in that country cared for by there hospital,brought up there attending school,play football with your friends as kids there,join a club there,groomed on there soil in there youth leagues and picked to cross the water.Why the fek would you play for another country were you didnt do any of this? ?........now if its a bit of a mixture you were born and moved things were mixed up i would understand.But if its a country you maybe spent a wend /week in the odd time or your great Granda bought his dog there i think you should take a look at yourself.I disagree with all this great Granda lived there s**t.If your born and rared in a country play for em.Simples.I would be against an Englishman etc wearing a N.Ireland shirt (Dowie) for example and hate when this relation rule came in.Also a believer in not letting foriegn managers run your country to.Wee rant be proud of were you were born don't get some guys.We are all Northern Irish this isnt a sectarian point of view its just cold had truth in my eyes Gibson etc are a disgrace.If your parents were born here you have no excuse to say if you made it you would play for the Republic because you never lived there and aint Southern Irish.#justsayinglike carew ur posts are  |
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Post by bremner on Feb 21, 2012 21:47:18 GMT
What about all the players the FAI have produced?? at school boy level Ireland ireland beat scotland and Northern Ireland all the time?? Ireland have no players coming through?? Very very poor journalism. Doesnt back one point up with any facts. Lenny, to be fair that response is what I expected from you. I didn't write the piece. it does state that McClean, Duffy, Gibson are premiership players and are products of IFA coaching. That's enough facts for me. Give me some ROI coached youngsters playing in the premiership. |
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Post by turfcutter on Feb 21, 2012 21:50:35 GMT
My theory is simple around the world we have borders to separate countrys.Correct.Yes..now if you are born in that country cared for by there hospital,brought up there attending school,play football with your friends as kids there,join a club there,groomed on there soil in there youth leagues and picked to cross the water.Why the fek would you play for another country were you didnt do any of this? ?........now if its a bit of a mixture you were born and moved things were mixed up i would understand.But if its a country you maybe spent a wend /week in the odd time or your great Granda bought his dog there i think you should take a look at yourself.I disagree with all this great Granda lived there s**t.If your born and rared in a country play for em.Simples.I would be against an Englishman etc wearing a N.Ireland shirt (Dowie) for example and hate when this relation rule came in.Also a believer in not letting foriegn managers run your country to.Wee rant be proud of were you were born don't get some guys.We are all Northern Irish this isnt a sectarian point of view its just cold hard truth in my eyes Gibson etc are a disgrace .If your parents were born here you have no excuse to say if you made it you would play for the Republic because you never lived there and aint Southern Irish.#justsayinglike yawn...heard it all before look in this island its every mans right ( born here) to hold whatever passport they want...irish or british. Its the way it always will be and cant ever see it changing. chill out. let the people pick who they want to play for.....  |
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Post by DavyFTB on Feb 21, 2012 21:52:17 GMT
If they don't wanna play for us f**k them. Sectarianism hanging clean outta them |
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Post by Geppetto on Feb 21, 2012 21:53:53 GMT
But you are Irish be proud i am Irish to but Northern Irish :-)i don't mind if you say you arent British but just feel why be ashamed your from Co Antrim etc in N.ireland and pretend your from another country.I don't get it.Just to add times have changed since the Lennon abuse at Windsor McCourt gets a great reception.I wish more folk were like him  |
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Post by Donko on Feb 21, 2012 21:55:21 GMT
Shane Long, Seamus Coleman were both ROI coached
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Post by LENNY on Feb 21, 2012 21:55:27 GMT
What about all the players the FAI have produced?? at school boy level Ireland ireland beat scotland and Northern Ireland all the time?? Ireland have no players coming through?? Very very poor journalism. Doesnt back one point up with any facts. Lenny, to be fair that response is what I expected from you. I didn't write the piece. it does state that McClean, Duffy, Gibson are premiership players and are products of IFA coaching. That's enough facts for me. Give me some ROI coached youngsters playing in the premiership. i didnt say you wrote it. Shane Long seamus coleman stephen ireland James McCarthy Ciaran Clark thats off the top off my head. FAI are magpies of international football?? Do you want me to list the players that have been produced by the FAI over the years?? |
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Post by bremner on Feb 21, 2012 21:57:43 GMT
I just want to make it clear that my point is about the IFA producing good players and the ROI Stealing them of not only the IFA but also the SFA.
I am not getting into the whole who you should play thing......
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Post by Donko on Feb 21, 2012 21:58:09 GMT
I think McCarthy came through Scottish set-up, and Clark possibly England schoolboys, could be wrong though
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Post by DavyFTB on Feb 21, 2012 21:58:26 GMT
Lenny, to be fair that response is what I expected from you. I didn't write the piece. it does state that McClean, Duffy, Gibson are premiership players and are products of IFA coaching. That's enough facts for me. Give me some ROI coached youngsters playing in the premiership. Do you want me to list the players that have been produced by the FAI over the years?? I dare ye Len |
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Post by LENNY on Feb 21, 2012 22:07:37 GMT
I just want to make it clear that my point is about the IFA producing good players and the ROI Stealing them of not only the IFA but also the SFA. I am not getting into the whole who you should play thing...... 'Stealing' the players made the decision themselves?? Its impossible to argue those players you mentioned werent brought through by the IFA. A minority at that of what the FAI produce. My point is, that article is poor. The FAI produce have produced players who have played at the top for years. Magpies of international football?? |
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Post by bremner on Feb 21, 2012 22:07:51 GMT
I think McCarthy came through Scottish set-up, and Clark possibly England schoolboys, could be wrong though 100% correct Donko. Stephen Ireland been around for a few years.....will give you Coleman....other than that.....read the artical from the echo....does give a frank assumption of the FAI football. |
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Post by LENNY on Feb 21, 2012 22:08:12 GMT
I think McCarthy came through Scottish set-up, and Clark possibly England schoolboys, could be wrong though McCarthy didnt, clark very possibly did, im not too sure. |
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Post by LENNY on Feb 21, 2012 22:10:13 GMT
I think McCarthy came through Scottish set-up, and Clark possibly England schoolboys, could be wrong though 100% correct Donko. Stephen Ireland been around for a few years.....will give you Coleman....other than that.....read the artical from the echo....does give a frank assumption of the FAI football.[/quote ireland is 25. James mccarthy declared for ireland at 15. almost 100% right, but not quite, bit like that article. |
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Post by bremner on Feb 21, 2012 22:11:20 GMT
I just want to make it clear that my point is about the IFA producing good players and the ROI Stealing them of not only the IFA but also the SFA. I am not getting into the whole who you should play thing...... 'Stealing' the players made the decision themselves?? Its impossible to argue those players you mentioned werent brought through by the IFA. A minority at that of what the FAI produce. My point is, that article is poor. The FAI produce have produced players who have played at the top for years. Magpies of international football?? I go back to an earlier post that says that the last time that the ROI fielded a team of players born in Ireland was 1975. surely even you can admit that that is a poor stat. |
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Post by pele on Feb 21, 2012 22:15:10 GMT
Lenny is Paul McShane FAI coached? ;D ;D
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Post by turfcutter on Feb 21, 2012 22:15:38 GMT
If they don't wanna play for us f**k them. Sectarianism hanging clean outta them classy post. u waiting for  |
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Post by LENNY on Feb 21, 2012 22:16:32 GMT
'Stealing' the players made the decision themselves?? Its impossible to argue those players you mentioned werent brought through by the IFA. A minority at that of what the FAI produce. My point is, that article is poor. The FAI produce have produced players who have played at the top for years. Magpies of international football?? I go back to an earlier post that says that the last time that the ROI fielded a team of players born in Ireland was 1975. surely even you can admit that that is a poor stat. Craig levein and Micky O'Neill have finally caught onto it, nearly 40 years later. |
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Post by DavyFTB on Feb 21, 2012 22:17:02 GMT
If they don't wanna play for us f**k them. Sectarianism hanging clean outta them classy post. u waiting for No just my opinion. That's why it was a. Statement and not a question. Are you trying to get a by highlighting my post? |
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Post by LENNY on Feb 21, 2012 22:18:50 GMT
Lenny is Paul McShane FAI coached? ;D ;D He was the next best thing, i rem seeing him for utd at the milk cup under 16, he was an absolute monster, outstanding. he has to be one of the worst players ive ever witnessed play pro football live! |
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Post by turfcutter on Feb 21, 2012 22:21:23 GMT
classy post. u waiting for No just my opinion. That's why it was a. Statement and not a question. Are you trying to get a by highlighting my post? im just a little confused in part of your fantastic post...correct me if im wrong but are you trying to say that these players who are raised, trained and played at under age level for norn iron who then choose to play for ireland...these people are sectarian for making this choice |
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Post by DavyFTB on Feb 21, 2012 22:22:35 GMT
No just my opinion. That's why it was a. Statement and not a question. Are you trying to get a by highlighting my post? im just a little confused in part of your fantastic post...correct me if im wrong but are you trying to say that these players who are raised, trained and played at under age level for norn iron who then choose to play for ireland...these people are sectarian for making this choice Yes. |
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Post by pele on Feb 21, 2012 22:23:44 GMT
Lenny is Paul McShane FAI coached? ;D ;D He was the next best thing, i rem seeing him for utd at the milk cup under 16, he was an absolute monster, outstanding. he has to be one of the worst players ive ever witnessed play pro football live! |
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Post by bremner on Feb 21, 2012 22:24:22 GMT
I go back to an earlier post that says that the last time that the ROI fielded a team of players born in Ireland was 1975. surely even you can admit that that is a poor stat. Craig levein and Micky O'Neill have finally caught onto it, nearly 40 years later. What an awful response to a genuine question. You are in denial Lenny when it comes to the ROI. maybe for the last 40 years the SFA and the IFA have wanted players born from their country/state to play for them. For the majority of fans that means a lot. Mercenary players are only in it for the glory......cue McLean, Duffy and Gibson. |
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Post by turfcutter on Feb 21, 2012 22:25:23 GMT
im just a little confused in part of your fantastic post...correct me if im wrong but are you trying to say that these players who are raised, trained and played at under age level for norn iron who then choose to play for ireland...these people are sectarian for making this choice Yes. please explain why u feel so??? |
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Post by junior on Feb 21, 2012 22:26:48 GMT
Bremner you have been listening to talk sport If lenny keeps it up...demote him! ;D |
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Post by DavyFTB on Feb 21, 2012 22:27:32 GMT
Just my opinion turfy and this forum isnt the place for that exact detailed opinion however much you would enjoy laughing at my rant |
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Post by LENNY on Feb 21, 2012 22:28:06 GMT
Craig levein and Micky O'Neill have finally caught onto it, nearly 40 years later. What an awful response to a genuine question. You are in denial Lenny when it comes to the ROI. maybe for the last 40 years the SFA and the IFA have wanted players born from their country/state to play for them. For the majority of fans that means a lot. Mercenary players are only in it for the glory......cue McLean, Duffy and Gibson. The glory?? playing for ireland?? our track record would prove that alright. No denial, im simply saying that article was poor. The FAI have produced top players for years and will continue to do so. |
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Post by bremner on Feb 21, 2012 22:28:54 GMT
Turfcutter and Davey......go easy now. Two debates going on here but don't need any silly quotes or statements.....
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?........now if its a bit of a mixture you were born and moved things were mixed up i would understand.But if its a country you maybe spent a wend /week in the odd time or your great Granda bought his dog there i think you should take a look at yourself.I disagree with all this great Granda lived there s**t.If your born and rared in a country play for em.Simples.I would be against an Englishman etc wearing a N.Ireland shirt (Dowie) for example and hate when this relation rule came in.Also a believer in not letting foriegn managers run your country to.Wee rant be proud of were you were born don't get some guys.We are all Northern Irish this isnt a sectarian point of view its just cold hard truth in my eyes Gibson etc are a disgrace 
.If your parents were born here you have no excuse to say if you made it you would play for the Republic because you never lived there and aint Southern Irish.#justsayinglike
