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Post by Mitty on Mar 8, 2008 14:03:58 GMT
Really big 3 points for us. Two early goals killed the game. They were 2 well taken goals as well from our strikers (for a change)   We played really well 1st half, and RAFC couldnt really get started in 1st half at all and we really should of been at least 3 nil up, cat pulled off a cracking save after a bad bounce and we didnt get on the end of a few other oppurtunities. 2nd half, as expected RAFC came at us lot more, but although the had the majority of possesion they never really looked like scoring. They had a man sent of in the last 5 mins too, which I assume for for dissent. I have a funny feeling Brem will argue about the 2nd goal being offside, but I think the ref got it right, the player who was offside let the ball pass him and Gary Aiken went on and stuck it in. Was'nt interfering with play IMO. Anyway, as I said a good 3 points............. and thats now 4 clean sheets in a row  |
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Post by QUIGS on Mar 8, 2008 15:27:54 GMT
great win boi......and the cat is back eh.... |
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Post by bremner on Mar 8, 2008 18:05:20 GMT
Pretty well summed up Mitty. We never got started in the first half at all. I will pull you on the second goal as it was offside. The ball was played to the first player who was offside and he let it go....he was clearly interfering with play but you deserved to win today. we were poor. Again all the play was in your half in the second half but we probably still wouldn't score if we were on the pitch now.
Anyway mate, good result and well done.
Would say though (have to get this in cause I cant let you away with everything) your repetition of fouls on my players was unbelievable. every time we had the ball your players fouled us....very very frustrating. Anyway the ref was not great today....for both teams. Sending off was a complete joke. The ref asked him a question and when he tried to answer he was told to shut up.....because he tried to answer he sent him of for not shutting up....no foul language or aggressive behavior at all....very poor indeed, but would add that this had no bearing on the result.
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Post by QUIGS on Mar 8, 2008 18:09:35 GMT
who was reffing bumner and who got sent off......kinda lets rathenraw back into title challenge again  |
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Post by bremner on Mar 8, 2008 18:12:50 GMT
Dont like slagging off referees on here cause if we didnt have any it would be a nightmare.....but it was Sandy ;D ;D
And my wee bro got his marching orders not that us Irvine say much. ;D ;D
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Post by QUIGS on Mar 8, 2008 18:36:08 GMT
pmpl at the weeman.....and for tawkin to the ref surely not sandy hates him from the enkalon days |
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Post by thelawnmowerman on Mar 9, 2008 10:06:03 GMT
Have to admit when we went up there, it was tough, losing 3 nil and all goals coming in the last 10 mens. we had a player sent off that day for exactly the same reason. ref asked his name he give it for a yellow and then his address, he said sure heres my post code and the ref went ill do the funnies on here, you will not be sarcastic to me ans sent him off ffs.
ask for the tackles, that day in particular we found it tough and i think if u remember it mitty, our striker and your centre back and captain knocked each other about something shocking but fairly, although you didnt think so. :-)
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Post by michelinman on Mar 9, 2008 11:17:44 GMT
cant believe u are still arguing the point of the second goal!! when the ball was played the man that put the ball in the back of the net was in front of ur last defender and ran past him!!!
As for the so called "fouls" u are talking about, is it not a contact sport or when teams come to antrim are they not allowed to tackle?? As i seem to remember the last few times we have played u guys there have been a few reckless challenges from ur team!! And in the final i seem to remember one of our players having stud marks the whole way down his leg and another with a black eye, both offenses coming from ur same player, but maybe u dont wanna remember that night??
come on the mich!!!
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Post by ritchaldo on Mar 9, 2008 12:43:42 GMT
Have to agree with Bremner,
the fouls that michelin get away with is shocking, when we played them a few weeks ago in the cup, every time i had the ball, i was challenged from behind, right through the back of me. On that occasion the ref never took control of the game, which resulted in a bad tempered affair, and a couple of really bad tackles, mostly down to frustration.
In general, there definately should be more cards handed out in the league, but then when you look at it, people are getting sent off for not even swearing at the ref, theres no consistency!!!
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Post by bremner on Mar 9, 2008 12:55:21 GMT
Glad you made that point Richie. Im not saying Michelin are a dirty team....they are not but they do foul repeatedly to break up the play. Very very frustrating. Im told last night that our left midfielder....Willie Fry was fouled 7 times in a row when he had the ball...and not 1 michelin player spoken to. When my player has a quiet word with the ref he is sent off.....something wrong there. A whole debate in itself. Agree with Richie also when he says that the referees dont book enough players....agree they dont.
Anyway would just like to point out that Michelin deserved their win.
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Post by ritchaldo on Mar 9, 2008 13:09:31 GMT
Yeah, players should be booked for consistant fouling, even 5 small niggling tackles are bad, and you shouldnt get away with it, but at the same time, it happens even in the premiership, yesterday, diarra fouled at least 9 times and should of been sent off, but wasnt. Bring in Sepp Blatter to sort the BSML out!!! |
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Post by QUIGS on Mar 9, 2008 13:35:58 GMT
it is a back handed compliment thou bumner if thats the only way they can play against ya's and to be fair if ur allowed to get away with by the ref its perfectly within ur remit to disrupt the other teams rhythm n pattern of play.......damn frustrating but effective non the less i dont like getting at the refs and never slag them when we have lost as it deflects from the real point of the problem but a good ref should be able to communicate with the captain and manager and more importantly take constructive communication from the said people.....it would help all involved and stop silly players getting involved in silly rows with silly refs... |
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Post by Mitty on Mar 9, 2008 14:27:32 GMT
Glad you made that point Richie. Im not saying Michelin are a dirty team....they are not but they do foul repeatedly to break up the play. Very very frustrating. Im told last night that our left midfielder....Willie Fry was fouled 7 times in a row when he had the ball...and not 1 michelin player spoken to. When my player has a quiet word with the ref he is sent off.....something wrong there. A whole debate in itself. Agree with Richie also when he says that the referees dont book enough players....agree they dont. Anyway would just like to point out that Michelin deserved their win. Cheers Brem Its strange to read about Michelin being a physical team. I kind of understand where Brem is coming from yesterday, if it was the other way round I would have been getting frustrated as well, mostly because you couldnt get a rythem going because the play was broke up so many times. In the 2nd half there was a few times, especially down the left hand side where we gave away silly fouls, but in saying that there was at least 2 or 3 tackles that were given as fouls by Sandy when they were clean tackles, one in particular I lost the head with him about it cause you werent even complaining about it being a free kick! Anyway, I'm glad at least its been said were not a dirty team cause he certainly aint, theres not one guy in our team that I would ever say is a dirty player. The one player we had last year who loved hiting tackles was Gaz, but theres no one really like that this season. Richaldo, most your posts are actually pretty sensible, but I cant believe your still banging on about the tackles you in particular were hit against us. You were fouled a few times, thats fair enough, how many of those were bad tackles? As a striker, when you are holding the ball up with your back to goal, do you really not expect a defender to come up behind you and stop you for turning??? Trust me, for a player from a team who can be as physical as Clough to complain about being tackled, you have a bit of a brass neck. And on that point, the worst tackle of the game from Dougie's 2 footed lunge at Orrsy still has Orrsy out injured? You want to talk about that  Anyway, as I think Brem has already said, we beat RAFC yesterday as we were the better team on the day. |
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Post by Mitty on Mar 9, 2008 14:44:26 GMT
. Im not saying Michelin are a dirty team....they are not but they do foul repeatedly to break up the play. Very very frustrating. Again Brem, I do understand where your coming from, but look at it this way. In the 1st half when we had alot of the ball, there were a few fouls. But, realisticaly, if RAFC have, for example, 70% of the ball possesion as you probably did in the 2nd half, of course you are going to get fouled alot more, cause we dont have the ball and are trying to win back. Never, ever have we went out and tried to win a game by kicking our opponents off the pitch. |
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Post by bremner on Mar 9, 2008 15:21:53 GMT
. Im not saying Michelin are a dirty team....they are not but they do foul repeatedly to break up the play. Very very frustrating. Again Brem, I do understand where your coming from, but look at it this way. In the 1st half when we had alot of the ball, there were a few fouls. But, realisticaly, if RAFC have, for example, 70% of the ball possesion as you probably did in the 2nd half, of course you are going to get fouled alot more, cause we dont have the ball and are trying to win back. Never, ever have we went out and tried to win a game by kicking our opponents off the pitch. Mitty I have already stated that I dont think you are a dirty team....you are not however just cast your memory back to the McAuley Cup Final. Your left back (the twin) fouled Speedy everytime he got the ball and wasnt booked and I mean every time. Think you told me that was the game plan as you thought Speedy was the danger man. Yeah there were a few rash tackles by us in that game, but yesterday was very similar in some respects to the final, lots of fouls to break up the play.....funny Chris also gave away the penalty in the final which was harsh as well. My point.....well you boys have done it before and it could be a trend.....niggly barstewarts ;D ;D |
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Post by QUIGS on Mar 9, 2008 16:40:33 GMT
mind that wee game at the pheonix.....speedy got sum treatment that nite awrite bumner,then he totally lost it the wee lad....weak refs yet again...
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Post by Mitty on Mar 9, 2008 17:33:01 GMT
Again Brem, I do understand where your coming from, but look at it this way. In the 1st half when we had alot of the ball, there were a few fouls. But, realisticaly, if RAFC have, for example, 70% of the ball possesion as you probably did in the 2nd half, of course you are going to get fouled alot more, cause we dont have the ball and are trying to win back. Never, ever have we went out and tried to win a game by kicking our opponents off the pitch. Mitty I have already stated that I dont think you are a dirty team....you are not however just cast your memory back to the McAuley Cup Final. Your left back (the twin) fouled Speedy everytime he got the ball and wasnt booked and I mean every time. Think you told me that was the game plan as you thought Speedy was the danger man. Yeah there were a few rash tackles by us in that game, but yesterday was very similar in some respects to the final, lots of fouls to break up the play.....funny Chris also gave away the penalty in the final which was harsh as well. My point.....well you boys have done it before and it could be a trend.....niggly barstewarts ;D ;D Dont worry I'd already made the comment that Im glad you said we werent a dirty team.  Read earlier post! Yip as I said last year, a big part of our game plan was to stop Speedy from running the game for you. The reason why Tommy (the twin as most call him )was aked to mark him is that Tommy is lightening quick too, by far the quickest player on our team, so at least if Speedy got away he would have a fair chance of catching him. Didnt neccessarily mean we went out to foul him all night (although it might have worked out like that  . The twins are both born again Christians so I can assure you they dont go out to wreck opposing players! To be fair Brem, your managing a team in a cup final, you have probably one of the best player's in the division playing against you. Do you not try to stop him from running the game for the opposing team??? And be honest ;D I can all assure you there were NO plans to stop any of your players yesterday, game plan was to try and get the ball down and play footyball and beat you that way! In the 1st half we managed to do that. In the 2nd half we didnt. |
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Post by QUIGS on Mar 9, 2008 18:03:15 GMT
ohh please mitty dnt mention christians and playing fair in footie........they are without doubt some of the durtiest nasty basa's in the game......without question m8
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Post by Mitty on Mar 9, 2008 18:50:27 GMT
god will strike you down for that elnino ;D
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Post by QUIGS on Mar 9, 2008 19:55:11 GMT
lmao probably shall m8....but he gota join the queue like every 1 else |
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Post by QUIGS on Mar 9, 2008 19:56:18 GMT
hows young andy hampton playing these days ......great lad n smashing character
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Post by ritchaldo on Mar 9, 2008 21:26:30 GMT
what im saying is mitty, if the ref had of taken control of the game and given a couple of your defenders yellows for persistant fouling, then myself and dougie would not have been so frustrated, therefore the likes of his two footer tackle probably wouldnt of happened, thats all im saying. Of course when you fear two strikers, you will do anything to stop them getting into any kind of flow, so i understand if you can get away with fouling them, then why not.
I just wish the referee's were a bit harder on the fouls, and protect the more skillful player more, although as i previously said, it happens at all levels, but the last thing anyone wants to see is someone getting severely hurt.
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Post by Mitty on Mar 9, 2008 22:33:10 GMT
Of course when you fear two strikers, you will do anything to stop them getting into any kind of flow ;D We must fear every striker in the league then saying we apparently kick everybody  I can fully understand getting frustrated at constant 'niggly' fouls, but does that justify hitting a 2 footed tackle that cold break somebodys leg??? I for one would rather get hit with 3 or 4 'niggly' tackles which wont injure me rather than get one really bad tackle that could break my leg. I do agree though that ref's in the BSML will book you for swearing or shouting (or in some cases asking them a question before they would book you for a bad tackle. |
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Post by Mitty on Mar 9, 2008 22:38:17 GMT
hows young andy hampton playing these days ......great lad n smashing character Playing really well at minute mate, really solid player and you know that he's going to work his balls off every game. Funny his worst critic is himself! Doesnt realise what a good footballer he is. As you say is a great lad, honetly is one of the mosy genuine blokes you will ever meet. You'll never believe it if you know Andy so well mate, but basically the main player Brem and a few other boys are complaining about for constant fouling is Andy @ right back! |
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Post by baldrick on Mar 9, 2008 22:57:00 GMT
Lads, as i was playing( ) on sat i think i can make a comment on the game. Agree with most of the comments from both sides - the michelin boys did commit a lot of niggly fouls which Sandy let go but at the end of the day if you get away with it, why not?. If it breaks up the other teams passing game then fair dues. Maybe we should have done some tackling ourselves instead of pointing the finger and looking for excuses(me included). Def a hard team to play against but we just couldnt string 2 passes together on sat. 2 early goals(1 offside ) caught us cold and we just never looked like scoring the whole match. Good win lads. All the best. |
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Post by Mitty on Mar 10, 2008 8:05:50 GMT
Lads, as i was playing( ) on sat i think i can make a comment on the game. Agree with most of the comments from both sides - the michelin boys did commit a lot of niggly fouls which Sandy let go but at the end of the day if you get away with it, why not?. If it breaks up the other teams passing game then fair dues. Maybe we should have done some tackling ourselves instead of pointing the finger and looking for excuses(me included). Def a hard team to play against but we just couldnt string 2 passes together on sat. 2 early goals(1 offside ) caught us cold and we just never looked like scoring the whole match. Good win lads. All the best. you were going so well there mate until you mentioned the offside 'goal' Good post. Cheers and the same to yourself |
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Post by Weeman on Mar 10, 2008 8:36:24 GMT
it is a back handed compliment thou bumner if thats the only way they can play against ya's and to be fair if ur allowed to get away with by the ref its perfectly within ur remit to disrupt the other teams rhythm n pattern of play.......damn frustrating but effective non the less i dont like getting at the refs and never slag them when we have lost as it deflects from the real point of the problem but a good ref should be able to communicate with the captain and manager and more importantly take constructive communication from the said people.....it would help all involved and stop silly players getting involved in silly rows with silly refs... Let me assure you there were no silly rows with the silly ref. The Mitchelin captain fouled Willie Fry with a tackle from behind, which by the laws of the game is a yellow card. Now after a few choice words to the referee (neither foul or abusive or made in an aggressive manner) he told me to shut up in an agressive manner, something that the wee f**ker does regularly. Anyway to cut a long story short he explained that he had given the foul and by me 'shouting' at him wasn't going to change things and he wanted to know what more I wanted him to do. Once I answered to at least have a word with the other player, he booked me. Not even a word spoken to the Michelin player, which was a disgrace. Anyway good luck to Michelin for the rest of the season. |
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Post by Weeman on Mar 10, 2008 8:41:10 GMT
.....funny Chris also gave away the penalty in the final which was harsh as well. did you really have to remind me off that.... ;D |
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Post by ritchaldo on Mar 10, 2008 9:04:47 GMT
Of course when you fear two strikers, you will do anything to stop them getting into any kind of flow ;D We must fear every striker in the league then saying we apparently kick everybody I can fully understand getting frustrated at constant 'niggly' fouls, but does that justify hitting a 2 footed tackle that cold break somebodys leg??? I for one would rather get hit with 3 or 4 'niggly' tackles which wont injure me rather than get one really bad tackle that could break my leg. I do agree though that ref's in the BSML will book you for swearing or shouting (or in some cases asking them a question before they would book you for a bad tackle. I know you fear me anyway Mitty... |
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Post by Mitty on Mar 10, 2008 12:02:40 GMT
;D We must fear every striker in the league then saying we apparently kick everybody I can fully understand getting frustrated at constant 'niggly' fouls, but does that justify hitting a 2 footed tackle that cold break somebodys leg??? I for one would rather get hit with 3 or 4 'niggly' tackles which wont injure me rather than get one really bad tackle that could break my leg. I do agree though that ref's in the BSML will book you for swearing or shouting (or in some cases asking them a question before they would book you for a bad tackle. I know you fear me anyway Mitty... |
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