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Post by doc on Dec 18, 2008 15:57:30 GMT
looking forward to this one on saturday against the best team in the saturday morning league. we will undoubtedly start as under dogs but with a full squad at Billy Barrs disposal you just never know. the team is playing with plenty of confidence at the minute and sitting pretty at the top of division 2 eight points clear. if the mckays, boyds and rowe of our team play the way they have this year then we have to be in with a decent shout. alot will depend on our two centre halves rab ritchie and bull who have been outstanding this year on how we fair in this one. all the pressure will be on carniny to beat us which might work in our favour but we will have to be at our very best to compete against these boys.
place in the final against inter stars so come on the keel.
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Post by Mighty Reds on Dec 19, 2008 13:52:23 GMT
This one at the Showgrounds Doc?
Is it still on?
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Post by adriany on Dec 19, 2008 19:24:47 GMT
I rang the showgrounds today at bout 4ish and it was still on
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Post by raj2112 on Dec 19, 2008 23:28:11 GMT
Ballykeel seem pretty confident. We will have our work cut out to try and win this one. We will have to hope that Ballykeel fall again at the big game hurdle that they have done repeatedly over the last few years.
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Post by adriany on Dec 20, 2008 18:38:47 GMT
Was in and watched this 1 this morning and a pretty even game but Carniny took their chances and should really have scored a load more. Well done to the keel tho the fought hard and did well to get to the semi's in the competition.
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Post by adriany on Dec 20, 2008 23:27:48 GMT
Lmfao just seen it finished 6-1 ffs I left with bout 10 mins to go and it was 3-1 so Carniny did take their chances after all. Well done lads and good luck against the divers on boxing day
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Post by doc on Dec 21, 2008 18:54:20 GMT
six one to carniny sounds as if this was all one way traffic but it was far from it. carniny went two up in the first 15mins before the keel enjoyed a 20min spell where they took the game to carning and deservedly pulled one back. carniny scored to make it 3 -1 right on the stroke of half time which would have knocked the stuffing out of most teams but not the keel. second half saw ballykeel throw everything at carniny with daniel boyd narrowly heading over and jason magill and mark mckay coming close with speculative shots. the keel just ran out of steam in the end and had a man sent off in the last ten minutes before conceding 3 late goals. all in all it was a great game of football and one which the keel can take alot out of especially as it was against the best team in the ballymena league. good luck to carniny in the final although i dont think they will need it as they are a class act. i believe the final has been postponed because alot of the inter star team are away home on holidays somewhere far away in the eu. what a f**king disgrace that is, the final is a traditional boxing day showpiece and the fact they cant field a team is nothing short of bulls**t. kick them out to f**k as honestly i have never heard of this crap before. shame on those who run our great league for allowing this to happen.  |
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Post by stevie1 on Dec 21, 2008 20:33:18 GMT
Don't be holding back now Doc. Just say what you think! ;D ;D
If you check the past couple of seasons. the tradiotional showpiece Boxing day final has gone out the window. I don't know about the Keel, but our team has allowed 2 teams to call off matches this season because they couldn't field a side (and that's 1st division). Maybe if it was another team Carniny were facing, you wouldn't have an issue with it?
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Post by jnr88 on Dec 22, 2008 7:57:03 GMT
6-1 definitely was a harsh scoreline, as it was tigth up until last 10 minutes when carniny fitness came into play!!
boxing day is normally the date for the final doc, but as stevie has said in recent years that hasnt been possible, and this year with it being moved means that we will hopefully get the use of the main arena again rather than having to play it at the phoenix or on one of the other pitches at the showgrounds!!
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Post by doc on Dec 22, 2008 10:00:41 GMT
its only the weather that has prevented the final taking place on boxing day in the past couple of years i presume or the fact that semi finals couldn't be played due to the weather. I've been to many a boxing day final always played in front of a bumper crowd.
Boxing day is the date pencilled in for this final, so for a team to get there and say they cant get a team together cos they are all away home is pure s**te. this has nothing to do with the fact they are a team of foreigners, i'd kick up the same stink if it was a local team.
i overheard a few carniny players reactions when some of our players told them after the game that the final had been called off and trust me, the same extreme feelings as mine came out of their mouthes, not a happy bunch.
kick them out to f**k, everyone knows when the final is so why should this be allowed to happen.
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Post by bremner on Dec 22, 2008 11:54:33 GMT
I agree with you 100% Doc. It has always been a boxing day final so why change it. If they cant field a team then they can only cancel it if Carniny agree. Rules for one and not the other....grrrrrrr |
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Post by jnr88 on Dec 22, 2008 13:20:16 GMT
find ur view hard to believe doc as ur club wer more than happy to agreeing for the final to be changed if use got to the final!!
with the final being moved now the game is going to be played under lights in the main arena so does that not make it more of a show piece than at the phoenix on boxing day morning??
as for one rule for one and one for another, if any club was in same position they would be treated the same!!
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Post by bremner on Dec 22, 2008 14:31:02 GMT
as for one rule for one and one for another, if any club was in same position they would be treated the same!! Sorry Joe, but I will correct you on that one. RAFC had 5 players away on a stag weekend for last years play-off semi-final. I informed your father of this and he told me it could only be changed if Northend agree to change. We already had changed it for them, but we all know that Northend would not change it.....and the rest is history as they say. So in my book that one rule for one and not the other. I have no doubt that the league committee are pleased that there is a so called European all comers team playing in this league and I know that they are not afraid to tell other leagues of this, but I'm sorry, it does look like that it has been changed to give Inter Stars every chance to try and win it....wouldnt that be some advertisement for the league.....cynical boy that I am. Always loved the boxing day final but if Carniny have agreed then I suppose thats their wish. |
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Post by G*A*W*A on Dec 22, 2008 15:37:46 GMT
Agree with whats been said before. The O'Kane final is "traditionally" a Boxing Day encounter and, ok, its been moved before because of weather conditions etc, but for a team to postpone the showpiece because they can't get a team together is pathetic. That's their tough luck. I have niggling doubts the same agreements would be made for another local team. I'm with you 100% on this doc and bremner. (as for it being a close 6-1 doc, is that roughly the same close 7-3 when Carniny beat Braid United?)   |
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Post by jnr88 on Dec 22, 2008 16:57:02 GMT
can anyone tell me how many times in the last 5 years that the o kane cup final has been played on boxing day?? from my memory i can only remember the 1!! yes it is and has been the traditional date for the final but it is not set in stone and if i can remeber rite there has been times when it has been changed due to other conditions apart from the weather!!
bremner i take ur point, but was this not in the last few weeks of the season when dates were limited!!
and personally i think that this final will be a cracker regardless of when it is played because both sides love to play football and think as a neutral (which is what everyone who has had a say on the matter is) it will be a great game to watch and from that point of view would u not rather see two full sides fighting it out rather than carniny playing against an inter stars team missing players!!
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Post by stevie1 on Dec 22, 2008 18:35:09 GMT
I was just wondering how the final is normally played on Boxing day when Ballymena and Coleraine play each year (albeit home honours change each season) that day. The only one i can remember in recent years to be played on Boxing day was Penarol v St Comgalls. The bottom line is, common sense has to come into the frame. It would be a dirty action if a team wouldn't agree to calling a game off for their opponents because they had a genuine reason.
ps Bremner, surprised Northend wouldn't call your game off last year. It was that very team who asked us to call off our game a few weeks ago cos they couldn't field a side and we agreed! Maybe we shouldn't have.
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Post by weedo on Dec 22, 2008 18:46:49 GMT
if ballymena are at home, does that mean the final is pushed out to the back pitch?? if so a later date under the lights is by far a better option, i actually think the top 4 final is the best because it's friday night under the lights.
i cant see how playing out on a back pitch to a few people would, while a load of people are in the main arena watching ballymena, would be better,in my opinion it would be an anti climax.
as for calling off the final cos inter stars are away home!?? wheres your christmas spirit lads!?? and im sure interstars where aware of the "traditional" boxing day final, which hasnt been played in 5 years...
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Post by raj2112 on Dec 22, 2008 21:15:41 GMT
Carniny did not agree to this final being postponed. We still haven't agreed to it. THERE WILL BE MORE HEARD ABOUT THIS AT THE NEXT MEETING.
In our opinion, the league secretary cannot postpone a game of his own accord. The rules state that the two teams have to be in agreement. Now if this takes place, in future we can all turn round to the league secretary and ask to get a game called off if some players are away on holidays,etc, with or without the other teams agreement.
We were also in contact with Ballykeel, and they only agreed to calling off the final (before the semi-final was played) as the league secretary told them that Carniny had agreed already to postpone the semi. Which wasn't true. We were asked and we said that we could not agree or disagree as we were not in the final yet as that would be disrepectful to Ballykeel FC. We knew IF we got through that we weren't agreeing to it, as we had heard that there were only 3 or 4 players not available to Inter Stars. Many weeks we have to play with this amount of players unavailable to us.
The final is normally played on Boxing Day. The league are always complaining about lack of money. Having it on Boxing Day is a guaranteed money spinner. Why take it away form it?
As I say, the last hasn't been heard about this and the League Secretary is setting a dangerous precedent by this decision.
In previous years the league has tried to play it on Boxing Day, but the weather conditions have prevented this from happening. This year, again, it was pencilled in, as the quarter-finals and semi-finals were played as quickly as possible to facilitate the event taking place on Boxing Day. Then because one team decide to take a holiday it is thrown up in the air.
If and when this final takes place at Inter Stars and the BSML'S choosing, let Carniny Rangers know as we seem to have no say in the matter.
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Post by raj2112 on Dec 22, 2008 21:29:23 GMT
Also the reason why we don't want this to be played later on in the season is because no fixtures are played on Boxing Day so we could have got it out of the way without impinging on our normal League fixtures.
We set our stall out each season to try and win the League, which is our main priority. We hate having to try and cram all our league fixtures into the evening matches at the end of the season and if we can play as many as possible during the Saturdays of the season, it is very helpful to our ambitions.
Now if we have to play on a Friday evening, we miss out on another Saturday league fixture, which gets knocked back to one of the evening games in April or May, to an already congested fixture list.
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Post by adriany on Dec 22, 2008 22:20:26 GMT
Also the match was to be played at penerols pitch on boxing day so no problem with the Irish league fixture for those who wondered. I dont think its fair on the Ahoghill Rovers team who got beat in the semi but who could have prob fielded a team on boxing day and if Inter knew they wouldnt be available to play the final then why just give Ahoghill a bye.
Raj your right to feel agrieved mate if Carniny didnt agree to this.
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Post by bremner on Dec 23, 2008 0:01:30 GMT
Fair play Raj...Im with u on this. did I not say rule for one and not the other. I know that Monte always wants this game played on Boxing Day....he tries his hardest to get the fixtures in to play it on Boxing Day, but I think we are all missing the point which Raj has pointed out. Carniny have not agreed to move the fixture and the point is that Inter Stars are being accommadated as they have players missing. I agree with all of you's that at some point on the season you have players missing for one reason or another so why should Inter be any different.
Oh and Joe, we wanted the semi final played on the Monday night, which your dad said was fine, but Northend would not change....anyway will give over about that ;D
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Post by jnr88 on Dec 23, 2008 9:50:39 GMT
can a team not rite a letter to the league requesting a game postponed if the two teams are not in agreement and then the committee will make a decision on it, think this is a rule??
and as far as i am aware raj carniny have agreed to the postponement of the final, that is unless the league have been misinformed??
i notice not very many of u have answered how many finals have been played in boxing day in recent years, if my stats are rite it is only 4 since 2000 which is only 50% of the finals and if my memory serves me rite only 1 of these was played on the main arena and these have been put back for various reasons!!! yes it would be nice if we could get it on boxing day every year, but it isnt set in stone!!
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Post by stevie1 on Dec 23, 2008 11:09:52 GMT
Glad to see you are all full of the festive spirit.
Happy Christmas.
I look forward to the O'Kane cup final whenever it is.
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Post by harty on Dec 23, 2008 13:33:37 GMT
Regardless of when Interstars field a team Carniny will duff them.
They are atrocious at the back and Reid, Wilkinson Jones etc. will torture them.
I fully expect Carniny to win 5 or 6. comfortably.
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Post by Mighty Reds on Dec 23, 2008 14:31:50 GMT
Well has anything been confirmed yet?
Boxing Day Final or Not?
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Post by bremner on Dec 23, 2008 19:39:08 GMT
Joe, seeing no-one wants to answer your question....answer mine. How many times in the last twenty years has a final been moved because a team cant field a team.........  |
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Post by raj2112 on Dec 24, 2008 0:07:56 GMT
and as far as i am aware raj carniny have agreed to the postponement of the final, that is unless the league have been misinformed?? None of us committee members of Carniny Rangers told the League that they had agreed to the postponement. Certainly not I, nor the Treasurer, nor the Secretary, nor the Manager. Could you tell us who from Carniny Rangers FC informed the League that we had agreed? The league secretary informed our secretary on Thursday evening last week, two days before the semi-final even took place, that the final was cancelled. How could he do this when neither Carniny nor Ballykeel were in the final to agree or disagree? This decision was taken by the League Secretary and no-one else, which is against the rules. What has annoyed us is not that Inter are unavailable to play, but that the League Secretary has went over everyone elses head to invoke a non existant ruling, and by doing so has set a dangerous precedent that says that one team can decide not to play a game. Haven't the League not fined Penarol twice already this season for not being able to fulfil fixtures, but yet are allowing Inter Stars FC to do the very same thing. At the very least, they should return the fines paid by FC Penarol, as it is a perfectly acceptable excuse now. |
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Post by rubberman on Dec 24, 2008 14:16:38 GMT
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Post by raj2112 on Dec 24, 2008 20:17:33 GMT
Any games we get called off are in agreement in accordance with the rule book, likewise we do other teams favours in calling off for them.
Never at any stage did Inter Stars approach us. If they had, we would have agreed to call it off. That is not the issue here. It is the Secretary of the League going over our heads (or Ballykeels heads) to call it off.
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Post by weedo on Dec 24, 2008 21:09:52 GMT
how could they of approached you's when they didnt no who they were going to be playing??
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