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Post by steppy on Sept 13, 2005 14:01:30 GMT
So good to see Jacko at last has got his act together getting rid of players who simply where not good enough.He has formed a great mixture of youth and experience and his hard work is being rewarded in his results.Jacko is the man to bring young hard working players like Robin Neil David McCracken on.Other young players in the past who did not get on simply where not good enough but did plenty of moaning
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Post by steppy on Sept 20, 2005 15:35:25 GMT
Rumours are going round that Jacko once again with his pulling power has landed another unhappy top forward Gareth Mott
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Post by skyblue magic on Sept 20, 2005 16:41:22 GMT
So good to see Jacko at last has got his act together getting rid of players who simply where not good enough.He has formed a great mixture of youth and experience and his hard work is being rewarded in his results.Jacko is the man to bring young hard working players like Robin Neil David McCracken on.Other young players in the past who did not get on simply where not good enough but did plenty of moaning **AHEM** MOTT?? WHAT?? MOTT?? U BEING SERIOUS?? |
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Post by birdy on Sept 20, 2005 17:46:37 GMT
Rumours are going round that Jacko once again with his pulling power has landed another unhappy top forward Gareth Mott steppy who are you it must be u trying to stir things up as good as it wood be for mott to join the reds which wont happen but Jackson is away on holidays so dont see how he could have landed mott so it must be you tht started these rumours p.s its neill not neil |
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Post by Pavel on Sept 20, 2005 18:25:18 GMT
Jacko is the man to bring young hard working players like Robin Neil David McCracken on.Other young players in the past who did not get on simply where not good enough but did plenty of moaning Are you trying to say that the young players who habited the club and on most nights were the only Reds players down at training over the last few seasons were not hard working. Wise up...because you obviously know nothing. Robin Neill, David McCracken and Scott Taylor are very good young players, but to say that the players before them were not in the same class is total crap. The work put in by the young players before these three arrived was the only work put in by the team. Hopefully the bold will put the emphasis on the correct parts of my statement. I think Robin and David will back me up on this also; because if not they would be lying. |
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Post by Ady on Sept 20, 2005 19:44:47 GMT
Rumours are going round that Jacko once again with his pulling power has landed another unhappy top forward Gareth Mott "Top forward"? You cant be on about Motter ;D ;D Must be the younger one  |
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Post by birdy on Sept 20, 2005 22:52:26 GMT
i must say i agree with you pavel
if you look at the young players that the reds have produced in the past you would be wrong steppy
if look at my dad he barely got on at his first season with the reds but look what he achieved after. it maybe alot of years ago but he ended up playing at the highest level when he was playin for Glentoran and other top teams
also look at the young players that jackson has produced in the recent years theres sammy neill, chay hogarty, sammy foster.
there is also many other great youth players which jackson is producing such as ally McCosh, simon brown, steven dripps, andy hart.
if you look at most of the top players from randalstown you can see that they all started at the reds.
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Post by steppy on Sept 21, 2005 7:55:50 GMT
Jacko has produced at least nine or ten of the current Sky Blues 11 all of them should be very greatfull to him for this.The ones he got ride of last year are now playing for Athletic or not playing at all and you now what sort of team Athletic are at the moment .McCosh Hart Brown Dripps have been there along time all are first team players now if Jacko played all young players he would be in third div and would lose all his Great Players.
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Post by benny on Sept 21, 2005 8:18:52 GMT
Paul Clarke
Mark Waddell
Chay Hogarty
Sam Neill
Scott Bruce
Darin Quigley
Barry Mott
Ricky Ewart
Jordan Craig
All of these players have played for the reds at some stage in their careers.
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Post by Ady on Sept 21, 2005 13:11:39 GMT
also look at the young players that jackson has produced in the recent years theres sammy neill, chay hogarty, sammy foster. Just to correct you a wee bit weebirdie, Chay was with the Skyblues 1st and it was them who produced him. . |
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Post by Pavel on Sept 21, 2005 13:19:44 GMT
The ones he got ride of last year are now playing for Athletic or not playing at all and you now what sort of team Athletic are at the moment. McCosh Hart Brown Dripps have been there along time all are first team players now if Jacko played all young players he would be in third div and would lose all his Great Players. Aye, good one mate. For a start, they haven't all been there a long time. Shows how much you know. Brown has been there two seasons, and McCosh only one season. Also, they might all be first team players, but be damned if some of the players who were there at the same time as them weren't better than them. Stuart Portis springs to mind, who was a great player and now doesn't play football at all after his experiences with the Reds. I'm not laying into the players you mentioned either, because they are good players, Ali McCosh is a great winger and should be used as such with his pace and he worked hard in training from when I knew him. Simon Brown is a skillful player; although he needs to get stuck in more physically and needs to work more on the pitch when he doesn't have the ball. Stephen Dripps is a hard working, pretty strong defender and Andy Harte has an eye for goal in training that he just needs to translate to the pitch and he'd be hammering them in. But to say that the young players who left last season where any less than those four...not a chance, some of those players who left, worked even harder than these ones; and I consider these four to be the heart of the team's training sessions last season. I'll also add that Jackson Ewart never got rid of anyone last year, they all left because they were fed up with his antics and blatant favouritism. If Jackson had played the players who made the effort last season he wouldn't have been anywhere near relegation let me tell you. Did you ever watch any of the Reds matches last season; it was heartbreaking to see eleven good players make a hash of things because they were not a team. They were eleven players who never seen each other from one week to the next because none of the "first team" went to training. What kind of a team does Jackson run where the players who make the effort to show up to every training session get snubbed over players who are un-fit and not improving; because they are not training. Tell me do you think the Reds would have finished higher up the table with harder working players with the same ability as those who you mentioned? The ability is not in question, all these young players you mentioned all have the same ability as the ones from last season. My comments have weight because they are the truth and most people here know it but possibly would be unable to admit it. You however have been hiding your identity; obviously so that you can act like some mysterious critic from afar. I've left this topic uncommented in for long enough and it's about time I let you know my response to your completely bulls**t comments. |
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Post by bremner on Sept 21, 2005 13:22:40 GMT
It makes me laugh to read that Jackson Ewart produced this one and that one. Jackson Ewart may have signed the players but I can assure you he had absolutely no input to the development of these players. They simply signed for the reds to gain experience to play for the blues.
I have respect for Jackson for sticking with the team so long and for putting out a team week in week out, but he has no clue about coaching, tactics or different formations..............."jesus oh" that all the input he ever gave me.
Weebirdie.......I'll bet you any money you like after your are 21 you will be playing for the Blues.
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Post by Pavel on Sept 21, 2005 13:23:36 GMT
also look at the young players that jackson has produced in the recent years theres sammy neill, chay hogarty, sammy foster. I really wouldn't say he produced them, as generally whatever skill you come to the Reds with, you leave the Reds with. There is no improvement at all to be seen quite honestly in my opinion. |
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Post by steppy on Sept 21, 2005 15:39:40 GMT
Pavel it must have taken you a long time to
wright what you have nearly as long as it takes for you to control the ball.Portis I dont no but if he was as good as the rest(hart Dripps McCosh Brown) he would have been playing or some orther Rstown team would have signed him.You also say these players left was it not obvious to them they where not good enough. If Jacko had not dug deep an got Foster Compton Surgenor McKittrick he would have been relegated.I am on for hard working players to (A Donkey works hard but has no class)Can you explain to me how Jacko has turned a team nearly relegated into a team which is at the top of the league. You have to give this man credit where has he found all these great player from .Jacko knows Hart brown McCosh Dripps Neil McCracken all will learn from these experiance players like Kennedy Rainey Robinson McKittrick Surgenor Foster Gault and now possibly Mott . These players must have great respect for Jacko the legend as they would not have signed ortherwise could the tide be turning away from the Sky Blue to the Reds
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Post by steppy on Sept 21, 2005 16:15:33 GMT
Bremner if Jacko got a team to the 1 div I think you would be eating your words how can you say he does not contribute. Players learn of players .A manager job is to find and sign players pick team and give team talk .In the Saturday morning league if the mangers finds good players they should be able to sort things out on the pitch .When players get to comfortable at a team or are not good enough they start to bitch .Jacko deals with them or they leave
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Post by Ady on Sept 21, 2005 16:46:17 GMT
Pavel it must have taken you a long time to wright what you have nearly as long as it takes for you to control the ball.Portis I dont no but if he was as good as the rest(hart Dripps McCosh Brown) he would have been playing or some orther Rstown team would have signed him.You also say these players left was it not obvious to them they where not good enough. If Jacko had not dug deep an got Foster Compton Surgenor McKittrick he would have been relegated.I am on for hard working players to (A Donkey works hard but has no class)Can you explain to me how Jacko has turned a team nearly relegated into a team which is at the top of the league. You have to give this man credit where has he found all these great player from .Jacko knows Hart brown McCosh Dripps Neil McCracken all will learn from these experiance players like Kennedy Rainey Robinson McKittrick Surgenor Foster Gault and now possibly Mott . These players must have great respect for Jacko the legend as they would not have signed ortherwise could the tide be turning away from the Sky Blue to the Reds Were do you get your out of date info from Steppy. The fact of the matter is that Brian Rainey has brought these players to the club not Jacko, if it wasnt for Brian the Reds wouldnt have the majority of these players, so well done Brian you should be saying. Also i agree with Bremner on his point to, and i also have respect for Jacko for keeping the team going over the years. |
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Post by skyblue magic on Sept 21, 2005 17:07:37 GMT
Pavel it must have taken you a long time to wright what you have nearly as long as it takes for you to control the ball.Portis I dont no but if he was as good as the rest(hart Dripps McCosh Brown) he would have been playing or some orther Rstown team would have signed him.You also say these players left was it not obvious to them they where not good enough. If Jacko had not dug deep an got Foster Compton Surgenor McKittrick he would have been relegated.I am on for hard working players to (A Donkey works hard but has no class)Can you explain to me how Jacko has turned a team nearly relegated into a team which is at the top of the league. You have to give this man credit where has he found all these great player from .Jacko knows Hart brown McCosh Dripps Neil McCracken all will learn from these experiance players like Kennedy Rainey Robinson McKittrick Surgenor Foster Gault and now possibly Mott . These players must have great respect for Jacko the legend as they would not have signed ortherwise could the tide be turning away from the Sky Blue to the Reds LISTEN MATE im gettin a bit peeved off about you leaving out my name make sure it dosnt happen again ok thanks ballroot |
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Post by bremner on Sept 21, 2005 17:23:50 GMT
steppy.....you must be Jackson Ewarts love child. You really dont get it. You dont get the fact that the players use Jackson not the other way round. They only play for him to gain experience.
I agree with Ady that its Brian Rainey who is attracting the players.
Another point, if Jacko was that good, why has never got the Reds into the first division?. What has the Reds ever won?.
Well, I know they won the third division and the third division Cup, but I can tell you winning those tropies had nothing to with Jackson Ewart
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Post by birdy on Sept 21, 2005 19:35:35 GMT
Weebirdie.......I'll bet you any money you like after your are 21 you will be playing for the Blues. hopefully your right bremner but i hope its before im 21 |
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Post by birdy on Sept 21, 2005 19:37:50 GMT
LISTEN MATE im gettin a bit peeved off about you leaving out my name make sure it dosnt happen again ok thanks ballroot scott maybe he doesnt think your any good so your not worth mentioning ;D |
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Post by birdy on Sept 21, 2005 19:41:24 GMT
steppy you keep mentioning about mott but i wood love to know were you heard it from cause jackson is on holidays so i dont know how he persuaded mott to come down
i would also like to inform everybody that once jason miller has got his fitness and confidence back he is joining the reds to regain his footballing ability again
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Post by skyblue magic on Sept 21, 2005 21:17:16 GMT
LISTEN MATE im gettin a bit peeved off about you leaving out my name make sure it dosnt happen again ok thanks ballroot scott maybe he doesnt think your any good so your not worth mentioning ;D rite if your being serious who was the best player in trainin the other nite? |
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Post by Pavel on Sept 21, 2005 23:40:01 GMT
Pavel it must have taken you a long time to wright what you have nearly as long as it takes for you to control the ball. If your going to take the time to attack my person with childish comments at least take the time to learn GCSE English and write your statement in the correct form. Oh and I type like a bat out of hell, so it took little time at all. Portis I dont no but if he was as good as the rest(hart Dripps McCosh Brown) he would have been playing or some orther Rstown team would have signed him.You also say these players left was it not obvious to them they where not good enough. ...with that statement, I think you should just stop, as you've lost. Already I've had other people who know the situation re-enforce my statements about the ability of the previous young players who left the club. So why are you flogging untrue arguments to death. You have to give this man credit where has he found all these great player from .Jacko knows Hart brown McCosh Dripps Neil McCracken... For the umpteenth time, he didn't find them, actually I got McCosh to come down to the Reds as far as memory serves, I asked him on the bus one day to come along to the training and he did. So as everyone else here has said, stop saying Jackson found them. These players must have great respect for Jacko the legend as they would not have signed ortherwise... Course they do,  they wouldn't have signed for the Reds for any other reason; like at the time it was the only team they could play for. For example Brown's hardly going to sign for Athletic (a team who were flying high at the time he signed for the Reds) or the SkyBlues; when he's simply not in the same class...he picked the Reds because he had no choice, it was them or a Ballymena/Antrim team. could the tide be turning away from the Sky Blue to the Reds Don't make me laugh man...honestly. ;D ...and with that I think I know who you are after your comments. We shall see what your next comments are. Perhaps a sly dig at my hair? Another dig at my footballing skills or lack of? I like the way you "tried" to back up your arguments by adding something in about me. Not going to Jordanstown this year are we? |
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Post by Pavel on Sept 21, 2005 23:43:33 GMT
steppy you keep mentioning about mott but i wood love to know were you heard it from cause jackson is on holidays so i dont know how he persuaded mott to come down i would also like to inform everybody that once jason miller has got his fitness and confidence back he is joining the reds to regain his footballing ability again Mott's going to England as far as I know, and I think it might be a stretch (even for Mott) to play upfront whilst in another country. ;D. It would be good to see Jay back at the football, hopefully he'll take his time and not rush things to much. |
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Post by birdy on Sept 22, 2005 23:35:14 GMT
yeah right pav he is going to england for 16 weeks or something but hes back every other weekend i think it is
and well said about the stuff above
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Post by harty on Sept 23, 2005 9:02:53 GMT
I never seen as much s**te in the one poll! It stands to sense that the sky blues are the best team in randalstown and will be for a long time to come unless extreme circumstances. The reds were the worst team in randalstown last year but obviously things have changed. Be happy that you have overtaken athlethic but be realistic about things. You have made a good start, so the time to talk about success is in twenty games time when you have proved that yous are a good side and can last the pace. Have to agree with you pav about the guys english, it leaves a lot to be desired.
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Post by steppy on Sept 25, 2005 20:36:31 GMT
Jacko the legend once again must be congrtulated on the victory against Clough!!
(And whoever else is helping him, so you's punters have informed me!!)
Sorry Pavol for taking time to get back to you, as I was away for a quick G.C.S.E English Course, but from what I can hear you must be able to understand what I meant.
I never profess to be outstanding at English, but where football is concerned "But Hey it just happened!!"
You never answered my question as where Portis and all thses other young players who supposedly left went!!
Most young players, who feel thet aren't getting a fair deal, go and exercise their skills at another club.
From what i can read and hear this did not happen so this takes me to the conclusion they were not good enough!!
You say you discovered Mc Cosh does it not make you feel a little bit envies he is now a first team player for the Reds and you are not!!
You also go on to say that these young players who joined Jacko the Legend!!, had no choice but to join the Reds.
You tried to make out Athletic where some high flyers that is complete rubbish and as far as the Sky Blues are concerned we all know how good they are!!
It is simply true that these players wanted to join Jacko the Legends' team!!
Could the tide be turning away from the Sky Blues to the Reds!!
I hope you have not laughed to much to make yourself ill, I do not know you and there fore I would not make any allegations of what you look like , I am only interested in commenting on Football Matters!!
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Post by birdy on Sept 25, 2005 21:26:31 GMT
steppy ive read all ur comments on other posts and i cant believe how much s**t u talk
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Post by Pavel on Sept 25, 2005 22:15:37 GMT
Fairplay, I never said I discovered McCosh, I told him to come down to training because I thought he might get on well at it. Obviously you do not know me at all, as I have no envy for someone who does well, I congratulate someone for doing well. Anyone who knows me knows I have that attitude; big up McCosh, just shows I have an eye for a player (joke, incase you get the wrong idea there  ) I answered your question of where these players went ages ago...please re-read my statements, Portis quit football as he'd had enough of undeserving players getting on ahead of him, nothing to do with his quality. Anyhow, got to shoot...got more important things to do, Deep Rising is on BBC One now . ;D, I give up...seriously. I can't be bothered involving myself in a discussion with someone who time and time again doesn't read what people are saying. Your English has improved by the way, kudos. End of my involvement in this, it's getting a bit tedious. |
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Post by tallboy on Sept 25, 2005 22:56:43 GMT
Have to say steppy whoever you are you do talk some s**te. its never gonna happen that the reds are gonna be a better team than the sky blues and to put it simply thats the way it'll stay and if you don't understand that well you'd be better with crayons than a keyboard. about jacko using the players he has for his own enjoyment (Not in a pervy way) Bremner you could be partly right but,without doubt and how much i hate to admit it the resds have been a breeding ground for all best players in the town. Patton, Neill, Clarke, Hoey, Hogarty, Waddell and big Beggs was there at one stage, surely can't be that bad. I,m sure there is a more compreshive list but feel free to add i know there is more.
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they wouldn't have signed for the Reds for any other reason; like at the time it was the only team they could play for. For example Brown's hardly going to sign for Athletic (a team who were flying high at the time he signed for the Reds) or the SkyBlues; when he's simply not in the same class...he picked the Reds because he had no choice, it was them or a Ballymena/Antrim team.
