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Post by quasimodo on Sept 3, 2012 13:18:49 GMT
Motherwell at home.Bring them on :-)
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Post by jonnymcc on Sept 10, 2012 21:11:59 GMT
Charles Green, Chief Executive of Rangers, issued the following statement today.
“The Rangers Football Club Limited will not attend tomorrow’s hearing (Tuesday, September 11) of the SPL-appointed Commission investigating the circumstances surrounding the use of Employee Benefit Trusts by previous owners of the Club. The Club cannot continue to participate in an SPL process that we believe is fundamentally misconceived.
“Neither the SPL, nor its Commission, has any legal power or authority over the Club because it is not in the SPL. For that reason it has no legal basis on which to appoint its Commission. The Club ceased to be subject to the SPL’s rules when it was ejected from its league. Our lawyers have made that point repeatedly to the SPL in correspondence and yet our requests for an explanation from the SPL have been completely ignored. The SPL’s silence on these issues is deafening. The outcome of the SPL’s process will have no legal effect.
“First and foremost, I would like to explain this decision to our supporters across the world whose loyalty and commitment to the Club in very difficult times has been unwavering and heart-warming for all those involved at the Club.
“Since the decision was taken by HMRC on June 14 to reject administrators’ proposals for a Company Voluntary Arrangement, the fate of Rangers FC lay firmly and clearly in the ability of the consortium I led to form a new company and corporate entity that would ensure that Rangers had a future as a football club.
“At all times we were fully transparent in our dealings with the football authorities, be they the SFA, SPL or the SFL. There was no ambiguity whatsoever regarding the status of the company when it made an application to join the SPL. As we all know, 10 SPL clubs decided against the admission of the new company to the league and The Rangers Football Club Limited subsequently applied to the SFL for membership and we are grateful for their acceptance.
“In short, what was decided by the SPL membership is that Rangers was finished as a member of the SPL. Despite this, the SPL now see the new owners of the company, and the new company itself, which owns all the assets of Rangers FC - including SPL championship titles – as fair game for punishment for matters that have nothing to do with us at all. And let’s be very clear about what this Commission is. Although the SPL goes to great lengths to emphasise the independence of its Commission, the Commission is not independent of the SPL. It has been appointed by the SPL. It follows SPL rules and its process is managed by SPL staff. I don’t question the impartiality of the individual panel members but whatever decision they reach is a decision of the SPL.
“To make it crystal clear, the new owners purchased all the business and assets of Rangers, including titles and trophies. Any attempt to undermine or diminish the value of those assets will be met with the stiffest resistance, including legal recourse.
“Furthermore, we ask the question genuinely. Why did the football authorities do nothing to address an issue that was public knowledge for at least two years, and was reported in the Club’s accounts for several years, before the Club went into administration and was subsequently taken over by new owners? HMRC contacted the SPL regarding EBT matters in October 2010, they met to discuss what documentation the Club had lodged with the SPL. Did the SPL launch an investigation? Did they appoint a Commission? Did they ask to see EBT correspondence? Did they ask any questions at all? No. They did absolutely nothing.
“What compounds the breathtaking hypocrisy of the SPL in this whole saga, is that the SFA, the SPL and us - as the new owners - took part in numerous discussions regarding the new company’s league status during which it was made clear that a deal was there to be done where ‘the EBT issue’ would be dealt with as part of a package of sanctions which would be implemented in return for membership of the SFA and a place in the either the SPL or Division One. We do not accept that people who are willing to come to an agreement on such matters then have a right to instigate a full blown inquisition when matters do not unfold as they thought they would.
“In our view, it beggars belief that an authority which can be heavily involved in these discussions to the point that the Chief Executive Neil Doncaster repeatedly stated he was not interested in stripping titles from Rangers can lurch from that position to setting up its own Commission under the chairmanship of Lord Nimmo Smith. I must make clear that we are not questioning for a moment the integrity of Lord Nimmo Smith and his colleagues but we believe the SPL have been hypocritical in their approach to this matter. Quite apart from their negotiations with our consortium, I know the SPL were well advanced in their discussions with Mr Bill Miller and his representatives where EBT issues were raised and there was again an understanding that the EBT issue could be dealt with informally if new owners were to take over at Ibrox.
“Why is the SPL rushing to judgement now when it has been sitting on the matter for 2 years? Their haste is particularly difficult to understand when the tax tribunal judgement is imminent. The factual issues in both cases are identical. We have to ask why is the SPL so anxious to issue a judgement in this matter before the tax tribunal’s findings are made public. The position is even harder to understand when one of the reasons the SFA did not pursue any form of disciplinary charge on EBT matters following Lord Nimmo Smith’s April report was because it was felt unwise for the SFA to pursue the matter when the tax tribunal judgement had not been made public. Nothing has changed as the judgment still has not been made public. Why is the SPL rushing ahead when in April the SFA felt it unwise to do so?
“Rangers was not the only Club in Scotland to use EBTs yet nothing was done and little has been heard about it. Also, Rangers stands accused of achieving sporting advantage unfairly – yet there is little debate over the fact in all the years EBTs were in existence at Ibrox, the Club often failed to win either the league title, or the main cup competitions. Furthermore, the period concerned saw a significant downsizing of the playing squad both in money spent on transfers and players wages.
“The decision we have taken has not been taken lightly. There are powerful representatives from Clubs within the SPL – not all of them by any means – who appear hell bent on inflicting as much damage on Rangers as possible. It is lamentable that the Board and executive of the organisation have not been able to deal with this appropriately. We do not hold every SPL club in the same regard. Several clubs were placed in an invidious position and we believe their interests were not best served by those in more powerful positions.
“Furthermore, as a Club we are not satisfied that the issue of conflict of interest relating to advisers to the SPL has been satisfactorily dealt with.
“Once again I would thank our supporters for their patience and tolerance. They have been asked to take it on the chin time and again and we stand united in saying: No more. As far as I am concerned, Rangers Football Club has won a world record 54 league titles, and, whatever the decision of the SPL Commission, these titles cannot and will not be taken away from us.”
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Post by jonnymcc on Sept 10, 2012 21:15:39 GMT
Charles Green, Chief Executive of Rangers, issued the following statement today.
“The Rangers Football Club Limited will not attend tomorrow’s hearing (Tuesday, September 11) of the SPL-appointed Commission investigating the circumstances surrounding the use of Employee Benefit Trusts by previous owners of the Club. The Club cannot continue to participate in an SPL process that we believe is fundamentally misconceived.
“Neither the SPL, nor its Commission, has any legal power or authority over the Club because it is not in the SPL. For that reason it has no legal basis on which to appoint its Commission. The Club ceased to be subject to the SPL’s rules when it was ejected from its league. Our lawyers have made that point repeatedly to the SPL in correspondence and yet our requests for an explanation from the SPL have been completely ignored. The SPL’s silence on these issues is deafening. The outcome of the SPL’s process will have no legal effect.
“First and foremost, I would like to explain this decision to our supporters across the world whose loyalty and commitment to the Club in very difficult times has been unwavering and heart-warming for all those involved at the Club.
“Since the decision was taken by HMRC on June 14 to reject administrators’ proposals for a Company Voluntary Arrangement, the fate of Rangers FC lay firmly and clearly in the ability of the consortium I led to form a new company and corporate entity that would ensure that Rangers had a future as a football club.
“At all times we were fully transparent in our dealings with the football authorities, be they the SFA, SPL or the SFL. There was no ambiguity whatsoever regarding the status of the company when it made an application to join the SPL. As we all know, 10 SPL clubs decided against the admission of the new company to the league and The Rangers Football Club Limited subsequently applied to the SFL for membership and we are grateful for their acceptance.
“In short, what was decided by the SPL membership is that Rangers was finished as a member of the SPL. Despite this, the SPL now see the new owners of the company, and the new company itself, which owns all the assets of Rangers FC - including SPL championship titles – as fair game for punishment for matters that have nothing to do with us at all. And let’s be very clear about what this Commission is. Although the SPL goes to great lengths to emphasise the independence of its Commission, the Commission is not independent of the SPL. It has been appointed by the SPL. It follows SPL rules and its process is managed by SPL staff. I don’t question the impartiality of the individual panel members but whatever decision they reach is a decision of the SPL.
“To make it crystal clear, the new owners purchased all the business and assets of Rangers, including titles and trophies. Any attempt to undermine or diminish the value of those assets will be met with the stiffest resistance, including legal recourse.
“Furthermore, we ask the question genuinely. Why did the football authorities do nothing to address an issue that was public knowledge for at least two years, and was reported in the Club’s accounts for several years, before the Club went into administration and was subsequently taken over by new owners? HMRC contacted the SPL regarding EBT matters in October 2010, they met to discuss what documentation the Club had lodged with the SPL. Did the SPL launch an investigation? Did they appoint a Commission? Did they ask to see EBT correspondence? Did they ask any questions at all? No. They did absolutely nothing.
“What compounds the breathtaking hypocrisy of the SPL in this whole saga, is that the SFA, the SPL and us - as the new owners - took part in numerous discussions regarding the new company’s league status during which it was made clear that a deal was there to be done where ‘the EBT issue’ would be dealt with as part of a package of sanctions which would be implemented in return for membership of the SFA and a place in the either the SPL or Division One. We do not accept that people who are willing to come to an agreement on such matters then have a right to instigate a full blown inquisition when matters do not unfold as they thought they would.
“In our view, it beggars belief that an authority which can be heavily involved in these discussions to the point that the Chief Executive Neil Doncaster repeatedly stated he was not interested in stripping titles from Rangers can lurch from that position to setting up its own Commission under the chairmanship of Lord Nimmo Smith. I must make clear that we are not questioning for a moment the integrity of Lord Nimmo Smith and his colleagues but we believe the SPL have been hypocritical in their approach to this matter. Quite apart from their negotiations with our consortium, I know the SPL were well advanced in their discussions with Mr Bill Miller and his representatives where EBT issues were raised and there was again an understanding that the EBT issue could be dealt with informally if new owners were to take over at Ibrox.
“Why is the SPL rushing to judgement now when it has been sitting on the matter for 2 years? Their haste is particularly difficult to understand when the tax tribunal judgement is imminent. The factual issues in both cases are identical. We have to ask why is the SPL so anxious to issue a judgement in this matter before the tax tribunal’s findings are made public. The position is even harder to understand when one of the reasons the SFA did not pursue any form of disciplinary charge on EBT matters following Lord Nimmo Smith’s April report was because it was felt unwise for the SFA to pursue the matter when the tax tribunal judgement had not been made public. Nothing has changed as the judgment still has not been made public. Why is the SPL rushing ahead when in April the SFA felt it unwise to do so?
“Rangers was not the only Club in Scotland to use EBTs yet nothing was done and little has been heard about it. Also, Rangers stands accused of achieving sporting advantage unfairly – yet there is little debate over the fact in all the years EBTs were in existence at Ibrox, the Club often failed to win either the league title, or the main cup competitions. Furthermore, the period concerned saw a significant downsizing of the playing squad both in money spent on transfers and players wages.
“The decision we have taken has not been taken lightly. There are powerful representatives from Clubs within the SPL – not all of them by any means – who appear hell bent on inflicting as much damage on Rangers as possible. It is lamentable that the Board and executive of the organisation have not been able to deal with this appropriately. We do not hold every SPL club in the same regard. Several clubs were placed in an invidious position and we believe their interests were not best served by those in more powerful positions.
“Furthermore, as a Club we are not satisfied that the issue of conflict of interest relating to advisers to the SPL has been satisfactorily dealt with.
“Once again I would thank our supporters for their patience and tolerance. They have been asked to take it on the chin time and again and we stand united in saying: No more. As far as I am concerned, Rangers Football Club has won a world record 54 league titles, and, whatever the decision of the SPL Commission, these titles cannot and will not be taken away from us.”
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Post by Donko on Sept 19, 2012 8:56:00 GMT
Serious question........Is it time for Ally McCoist to be removed as manager?
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Post by Jeff on Sept 19, 2012 9:01:02 GMT
Off the pitch ally is irreplaceable on the pitch he makes a lot of mistakes as well as some questionable signings but he will learn and he has time on his side to learn. The results need to improve quickly though. For me he stays no brainer the club needs stability. Noone said this was gona be easy, still a lot of tough days to come.
Fantastic gesture by rangers last night as well in respect of the 96.
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Post by quasimodo on Sept 19, 2012 10:02:27 GMT
In all honesty Harty pointed out he was s**t last season.I said it wasnt the right time to call for his head.Not long later the bombshell dropped.He kept the squad together to end the season.His influence kept some that are there today.Along with the wages he helped bring in stars .But i won't deny it he has lost faith with every fan as a quality manager.If he wins the Scottish cup and wins the league although some 3rd div games to me are no different to playing likes of St Mirren etc in the past the standard seems that close then he shall be forgiven for another year.Rangers/Celtic fan's demand glory.No titles end of season is tagic.Now with the situation its not just how both clubs win the titles we are both expected to win them like Arsenal style unbeaten.He should leave if we just about go up he deffo can't be there in 3years time.Like Lennon he's young and both went threw some s**t over last year on and off the field so maybe time will tell.Its like Celtic fan's Champs lge just about kept your faith in Lennon.Some sweaty hands with the times that Finland tie.If you get proper thumped in Europe and only just manage the lge with an embarrassing squad like that over Spl clubs questions need to be asked to is he the right man to.Celtic pk fan's almost get there results in Europe at home.If the 12th maan doesnt get you's up for it tonight and Benfica win easy i put the question to Celtic fan's also.Is Lennon the right man?
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Post by Donko on Sept 19, 2012 10:20:16 GMT
In all honesty Harty pointed out he was s**t last season.I said it wasnt the right time to call for his head.Not long later the bombshell dropped.He kept the squad together to end the season.His influence kept some that are there today.Along with the wages he helped bring in stars .But i won't deny it he has lost faith with every fan as a quality manager.If he wins the Scottish cup and wins the league although some 3rd div games to me are no different to playing likes of St Mirren etc in the past the standard seems that close then he shall be forgiven for another year.Rangers/Celtic fan's demand glory.No titles end of season is tagic.Now with the situation its not just how both clubs win the titles we are both expected to win them like Arsenal style unbeaten.He should leave if we just about go up he deffo can't be there in 3years time.Like Lennon he's young and both went threw some s**t over last year on and off the field so maybe time will tell.Its like Celtic fan's Champs lge just about kept your faith in Lennon.Some sweaty hands with the times that Finland tie.If you get proper thumped in Europe and only just manage the lge with an embarrassing squad like that over Spl clubs questions need to be asked to is he the right man to.Celtic pk fan's almost get there results in Europe at home.If the 12th maan doesnt get you's up for it tonight and Benfica win easy i put the question to Celtic fan's also.Is Lennon the right man? Are you sure McCoist will get you promoted though, he can't bring in any new players and isn't getting the best out of what he has, these are professional footballers, training every day and struggling against part-timers and postmen. There's a big difference in being (possibly) beat by Benfica and Queen of the South. Lee McCullochs weekly wage would keep them going for 6 months. |
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Post by rubberman on Sept 19, 2012 11:03:39 GMT
Newco are to be reinstated into the ramsdens cup following the news that queen of the south had dual contracts.... Their keeper was a brickie, their captain was a butcher and star striker was a lollipop man.
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Post by rubberman on Sept 19, 2012 11:05:24 GMT
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Post by quasimodo on Sept 25, 2012 13:53:06 GMT
No David Templeton Ian Black or Andy Little against form team of Scotland Motherwell tomorrow night in cup.Would be an massive upset if we beat them with them 3 even on.Disgrace the bookies have a club not even top of the 3rd div at 6/4 against the team top of the Spl in a cup match.:-( Motherwell 17/10 wtf ....prob Motherwell's biggest game of the season though ;-)
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Post by bap on Sept 25, 2012 14:00:39 GMT
No David Templeton Ian Black or Andy Little against form team of Scotland Motherwell tomorrow night in cup.Would be an massive upset if we beat them with them 3 even on.Disgrace the bookies have a club not even top of the 3rd div at 6/4 against the team top of the Spl in a cup match.:-( Motherwell 17/10 wtf ....prob Motherwell's biggest game of the season though ;-) Think the big price is because Motherwell are playing a second string XI - they consider themselves as having bigger fish to fry |
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Post by quasimodo on Sept 25, 2012 14:14:43 GMT
so are you saying tomorrows lineup will be nothing like the team they played at the weekend or the team that is playing the best football in Scotland atm?  :-) i hope your right :-) |
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Post by quasimodo on Sept 26, 2012 16:38:23 GMT
BBC1 SCOTLAND TONIGHT 7PM canny wait bet more Tim's tune in to watch it than have been to there own ground this season.That wouldnt be hard though.WATP !!!!!!!!!!!!Let's show the Spl clubs it doesnt matter how many league's down below we are we are more than capable of winning against them after all there laughing at players leaving and how we are dead.Wait to see the atmosphere Tim's don't get jealous of fan's loyality for every home game not just the big 1s :-)
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Post by quasimodo on Sept 26, 2012 16:54:03 GMT
Black might well play tonight i say this lineup won't be far off Alexander; Wallace, Emilson, Perry, Faure; McLeod, Black; McKay, Shiels, Argyriou; McCulloch. C,mon you Gers!!!!!!!!!
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Post by maccers1 on Sept 26, 2012 17:37:29 GMT
RANGERS: Alexander; Faure, Cribari, Perry, Wallace; Argyriou, McCulloch, Macleod, Aird; Shiels; Sandaza.
there's your team. i see you's are giving away free tickets. any wonder you's are getting big crowds. lol
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Post by quasimodo on Sept 26, 2012 19:10:46 GMT
maccers get you over to Echo park and cover that Nike tick up.This whole crowd thing is annoying you's .Sort it out get over lad's and prob solved :-)Wee Aird looks like another young superstar :-) just watched Celtic highlights on BBC1 there ..hear the supporter to another "is that a message on your phone i heard" lol.C,mon you Gers with the wee half a team out :-)
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Post by mrfish on Sept 26, 2012 19:45:04 GMT
Tuned in midway through the first half, pretty even contest up to half time. Motherwell have been dung so far since the restart but rangers have looked ok. Playing some decent football.
Really think Dean is wasted in Division 3, good player and very lively tonight!!
About 25 left and honestly can't see motherwell getting back in...Gers are comfortable!!
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Post by Jeff on Sept 26, 2012 19:47:43 GMT
What a fantastic scalp it would be if we can finish the job here. Imagine a wee 3rd division team beating the best the spl has to offer. Make it happen rangers ;D
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Post by mrfish on Sept 26, 2012 19:55:14 GMT
What a fantastic scalp it would be if we can finish the job here. Imagine a wee 3rd division team beating the best the spl has to offer. Make it happen rangers ;D Lmao...wonder will ye get yer bite with that effort?  |
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Post by mrfish on Sept 26, 2012 20:10:33 GMT
Very comfortable second half from Rangers.
Fair play!!
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Post by quasimodo on Sept 26, 2012 20:14:34 GMT
Still the best team in Scotland.Wee Rangers kids embarrassing the team at the summit of Scottish football.Bring on the Tims at Echo Park or the Great Ibrox were the atmosphere is best in the country :-) :-) WATP!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Jeff on Sept 26, 2012 20:18:33 GMT
Best in the spl taken out by the roots by the young bears. Outstanding. Great youth coming through great to see. Green here tomoro to meet with linfield to discuss the return game at ibrox and also a q&a with supporters clubs tomorrow night. Gutted I have to work keep me updated Davy  |
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Post by mrfish on Sept 26, 2012 20:22:41 GMT
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Post by maccers1 on Sept 26, 2012 20:28:50 GMT
What a fantastic scalp it would be if we can finish the job here. Imagine a wee 3rd division team beating the best the spl has to offer. Make it happen rangers ;D Lmao...wonder will ye get yer bite with that effort? no bite from here. motherwell are top of the league. think we'll win our game in hand but i'd rather have the points. the rangers played well. enjoyed watching motherwell too. they play the game the right way. always looking for a pass rather than a hoof. just lack an end product or could be a decent side. |
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Post by jonnymcc on Sept 26, 2012 20:38:28 GMT
Fantastic result.
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Post by mrfish on Oct 6, 2012 16:41:54 GMT
Just seen today's result...  Honestly lads I'm not on the wind up, far from it. I watched most of your game with motherwell and genuinely thought you were very good and comfortable, certainly deserving the victory. What the f**k is happening in the league...away form seems ridiculous. That team I watched in the cup, I would imagine, should be strolling through that level. Any of yese see it? I really don't understand the results after seeing the cup game! |
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Post by Muffin Man on Oct 6, 2012 17:37:05 GMT
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Post by LENNY on Oct 6, 2012 18:18:25 GMT
Sally cant get them up for it, simple.
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Post by turfcutter on Oct 7, 2012 12:47:33 GMT
they are dung..simples.
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Post by quasimodo on Oct 7, 2012 13:07:19 GMT
bad performance.Said it earlier Ally isnt right man for job but to be honest there's nothing in it really between SPL sides and 3rd div as proven.Beating Inverness is massive id rather beat a couple of Spl teams this season than having Motherwell tanking us and winning the lge easy.As long as we win the league which we will in the end although it will be tight and beat Spl clubs its a good bounce back and good season.If we win 1 of the 2 big cups which i wouldnt rule out then its a class season.1 thing the support is amazing the fan's sing loud and proud you lot just have the green brigade singing rest is empty of dull.Celtic drawing 2 and lossing 1 in 7 is hardly a great start with that big champs lge squad thats getting sold at crimbo:-)
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"However, the more formidable the challenge, the more earnest will be our efforts. And to The Rangers supporters, the most loyal on earth, I can make the firm promise that no energies will be spared by this club to ensure that the mighty traditions of the past will be continued."
:-) i hope your right :-)
